Broken Talus

by C.King
(Pensacola Florida)

My husband was pressure washing our house. I was on a ladder, waist high at the roof line. I had just handed him some pressure-washing solution when he began to slide off the roof towards me. To say the least, I grabbed him to stop his fall. The ladder came out from under me. The next thing I remember is being on the concrete facing the opposite direction.

I dislocated and severely broke my right ankle. X-rays and scans indicated I broke my talus bone. Due to the force of my fall (usually associated with auto accidents), the talus had cracked through and broken chips were shown around the bottom portion of my heel (my heel was not broken - only the chips of bone appeared around the heel area).

I had a wonderful doctor on-call from Tampa who repaired my ankle injury with surgey (scope only) and placed 1 pin and 3 screws. It was a very serious injury. I could not place any weight on my ankle for 3 months. Then, slowly apply increments of weight over the next several months. I began with a 90 degree boot and walker. 12 days after my surgery...the pressure to place my ankle in a 90 degree boot was aweful! Thank goodness for pain meds. Then, I slowly advanced to using 2 crutches. (Using the walker first allowed time to build-up my arm strength for the crutches.) Over three more months of PT I advanced to using 1 crutch and a new airboot. PT was work. I experienced good and bad days. I also had monthly doctor appts and xrays. I walked with a limp for many months, but I could walk. I had pain (although not as bad as I had expected) and swelling. Through PT I was able to achieve higher expectations and range of motion than my doctor expected. One year later I realized the seriousness of my injury when I overheard my doctor explain to the assitant there was an 80% chance the blood supply would not be returned to the talus bone - Those are great odds to beat! Not to mention only ONE surgery...



I cannot stress how very important it is not to rush the healing process of your body and to follow the doctors orders. It has now been 2 years and I am now able to walk with an almost unrecognizeable skip / limp. I still have days of inflamation - I take meds for the inflamation. I still at times need to elevate my ankle on those over-active days. I am excited about my progress, although it has been 2 years now.

All-in-all it is good! Only a broken ankle from a fall off the roof is remarkable. It could have been so much worse. My husband only had a bruised rotator and took tylenol. Stay positive and know that your body will heal. A good attitude is a must. Trust me on that one! It will not always be easy, but good care for yourself is worth the time and patience.

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Mar 13, 2014
Screws loose (removed) HA HA... NEW
by: CKing

Thanks for the input regarding having the screws removed. I find myself going back and forth about removing them or not. It's been 6 years since my surgery and they are still in my talus. I've only had one surgery.

Still thinking about it...Thank you for sharing. I would love to be 100%. But know that probably isn't possible. So I'll take anything close to the hundred!

Would love to hear from other people who have had the hardware removed. Good or bad experience??? "That Is The Question".

Cathy

Mar 13, 2014
Screws loose (removed) HA HA... NEW
by: CKing

Thanks for the input regarding having the screws removed. I find myself going back and forth about removing them or not. It's been 6 years since my surgery and they are still in my talus. I've only had one surgery.

Still thinking about it...Thank you for sharing. I would love to be 100%. But know that probably isn't possible. So I'll take anything close to the hundred!

Would love to hear from other people who have had the hardware removed. Good or bad experience??? "That Is The Question".

Cathy

Mar 13, 2014
Screws loose (removed) HA HA... NEW
by: CKing

Thanks for the input regarding having the screws removed. I find myself going back and forth about removing them or not. It's been 6 years since my surgery and they are still in my talus. I've only had one surgery.

Still thinking about it...Thank you for sharing. I would love to be 100%. But know that probably isn't possible. So I'll take anything close to the hundred!

Would love to hear from other people who have had the hardware removed. Good or bad experience??? "That Is The Question".

Cathy

Mar 12, 2014
Suggestion... NEW
by: Anonymous

I've kind of skimmed through here and also broke my talus (fell off my horse). Two screws were placed back in April of 2005 and removed in August of 2006. I had severe pain and swelling while the screws were in place. I was non weight bearing for 4 months and was not given PT after. I was 20 at the time of my injury.

Post my second surgery to remove the hardware by one week I was walking almost without any pain what so ever. I can't remember all the details, but can tell you that if your bone healed it may be in your benefit to have the hardware removed.

It's now many years since my initial injury but- I'm back to running. Some days it gets a little swollen, but I can run 5 miles without issue. I was told I would be lucky to walk and I would never run again. I would of said that probably would of been true had the screws stayed in place. I have gained just about all of the movement back in that area as well. Walking barefoot doesn't bother me and occasionally I'll jog on the beach barefoot.

This may be an Avenue for some of you to get some relief.


Feb 28, 2014
Thanks for the support NEW
by: Cking

TO Brittany and Katie:

It's been 6 years since my original injury and beginning this blog for stories and advice from other people. Thanks to everyone for their continued support, as we all share a common bond of sorts.

It does take time (lots of it)and you will over-compensate the other areas of your body while recovering from a broken ankle such as ours. Which does cause other aches in knees and backs, etc. Just be aware of your body while healing and listen to what it's telling you.

I just stated this am that as of today I still have a few issues, including loss of range-of-motion and aches/inflamation when I over do it.
However, over ALL I have healed well with 1 surgery and the process continues as far as stretching and trying to loosen up the ankle. Even after 6 years I still see room for improvement (if possible), but the good news is I DO SEE improvements along the way.
P.S. It seems younger people heal much faster. LOL Now, I have just turned 51 yrs old and have no plans of slowing down. Treadmill, walking as much as possible.

I still keep a positive attitude. That is almost 1/2 + the battle with this type of injury. I decided not to get the injections I spoke of earlier. I'm taking the wait and see method.
I have arthritis (that is to be expected). I continue to move as much as possible. Keep moving if you can. Keep using the joint if you can or as much as you can. Rest when you need to.

Ask questions, be informed, heal well!

Best Wishes,
Cathy

Feb 28, 2014
re: Brittany: knee pain, recovery NEW
by: Katie

It's been quite a while since I've posted an update. I broke my left talus in April 2012, and it has been a largely successful, although slow recovery. Brittany, I see a lot of similarities in our injuries- I also have a plate and 5 screws! And my bone also healed well but I still have not recovered my full range of motion, particularly with dorsiflexion. I would recommend getting as much physio as possible and then continuing to work on it on your own. After my physio was over I continued with their exercises and also made up some of my own that also seemed to challenge my ankle in the right ways in terms of strength and flexibility. The problem for me is that I haven't been able to keep up the exercises as much as I'd like over the long term, because of being too busy. But I'm hoping that when I'm finished grad school I will be able to make it a priority again, because I feel that some of the tightness in my ankle could still be improved with targeted exercises (and probably just by being more active).

And I also had knee pain in the earlier stages of recovery, probably for the same reason as you. But the knee issues have largely gone away over time as my ankle flexibility and strength has improved.

It was hard for me at first to work on my feet again, even more than a year after the injury. My left foot would get sore, and it still does if I really overdo it. But it has continued to improve over time, which is an incredible relief. The things we take for granted! lol

All the best to everyone in their recoveries!

Feb 27, 2014
Talar neck feature NEW
by: Brittany

I fractures my talus back in august 2013 from a car accident I have 5 screws and 1 plate. I was non weight baring for 3.5-4 months. I got the call from my surgeon that i healed fantastically mid January! (Best call ever) I was only cleared for 2 months of PT from my insurance I'm hoping to get more just waiting to hear back from them. I lost range of motion with my dorsiflexion when I had my last PT appt on the 11th of this month it was at a 2+ but I should be at. 10+ or more. So my knee is over compensating for my limp and it's hyperextend info when I walk. I'm cut tenting using KT Tape for my knee. Has anyone else had knee pain while recovering? I don't have another appt with my surgeon till my year post op check up.

Jan 18, 2014
thankful for improvement NEW
by: Stephanie

My talus bone broke 3 years ago in an accident. Two screws were put in the bone. The bone is completely healed now but the ankle around it has issues. There is limited flexibility and some swelling. I don't know if that will ever improve. One of the most annoying things is the scar tissue; it feels like a car going over a speed bump, it doesn't hurt but it feels like something that shouldn't be there. The pain has improved a lot, and I am thankful for that, and it is actually rare for me to have pain. The first winter after the break, I was having pain all the time, but now it is much better. I miss my old ankle, I took it for granted. However I am thankful for the improvement and I try to count my other blessings. A positive attitude goes far.

Oct 02, 2013
broken talus NEW
by: Chris

Hi everyone i would first like to say a thank you to C King for her kind words and help to everyone on this forum.Also thank you Sandra for your prayers it was good to hear from you. I do hope you get a bit of relieve from your back pain. W ell i went to see my consultant last Wednesday i got my stitches out i had about eight on the outside of my foot and another five on the inside also about three on my heel. i was put into a mobile cast with a sandal.i am now building up my weight bearing with my crutches from 25% to 50% so far i am not feeling much pain which is good just a few aches now and again. I do know a fusion is not for everyone that has broken their talus and this was the very last step for me (excuse the pun) As C King said everyone is not the same we all go through different healing processes.But we do have this injury in common that has changed our lives.Good luck t everyone xx

Sep 29, 2013
3 Year Update NEW
by: Steph

Hello all. On Sept. 11, 2010, I broke my talar neck in half and chipped the edges of my talus. My talus was also displaced. I had open reduction and internal fixation surgery and 6 pins were inserted. I had a second surgery on March 2, 2011 to have the pins removed. It has now been 3 years since my injury and I am not completely back to where I was before my injury and probably never will be but I am pretty happy with my progress. For the first time since my injury, I was virtually pain and stiffness free all Summer unless I over did it by walking and standing on a hard surface for too long. Even when over did it, I was fine by the next morning once I got moving. My husband said I have not been limping like I used to either. He says my walking looks normal unless it's the night or morning after I have over done it. I also do not get pins and needles in the top of my foot anymore. My ankle still swells when I over do it and I have a small area of swelling all the time on the outside of my foot behind my ankle but it doesn't bother me. It is starting to get colder where I live and I have noticed some stiffness and achiness in the mornings which I did not have in the Summer. My guess is that it's due to the small amount of arthritis I have developed in my ankle. To compensate for this, I am going to start stretching it more until I can retire and move to where it is warm all year round lol. I don't really take anything for pain anymore. I can wear low wedge heels but I don't too often because athletic shoes with my custom inserts are so much more comfortable. Also my balance isn't as good as it used to be. C. King...Didn't you mention that you got inserts? If so, are they helping you? I swear by them. Remember all...Be patient and give your body the time it needs to heal. You may still be improve years after your injury. Best wishes to all of you with this life changing injury. May you continue to improve. Keep posting!

Sep 23, 2013
To Sandra, fellow-sufferer NEW
by: cking

Good to hear from you, Sandra. It can be difficult. I can say on some days, "Okay, enough is enough."

I sometimes think we just need to accept what has happened, including the limitations we may be victim to. But I don't want to do that either. Some days I just want it to be back to normal, before the accident. But I know that won't happen either.

Maybe, I was suppose to slow down just a bit. I can tell you how thankful I am for those days now when I can move about as if nothing happened... only to feel the pain and soreness again. It is always going to remind me.

I wonder how I will be walking when I am 70 or 80.
So, I concentrate on how to keep myself healthy now - giving myself the best change of walking 'normal' at those ages. I am trying to strengthen the other body parts (LOL). Eating healthy, getting better sleep, etc. At least if the rest of me is doing good maybe I won't think about my ankle so much. I still dream of running...

I really think we will be dealing with this the rest of our lives. Who'd a thought a little talus bone broken would change our lives this way?

Try to stay happy and healthy. Take Care.
Cathy

Sep 23, 2013
It's A Process NEW
by: cking

David - So sorry to hear that you've broken your talus. You have found a good website to express your feelings and hear how others are coping with the same injury. Do not be afraid to ask questions to any of us or your doctors. No question is a dumb question. When I first broken my talus (it was me on the roof saving my husband's life)I was 40ish too. I never thought I'd be using a walker, crutches or cane at that age. I was pretty active at that point in my life too.

I cannot stress the importance of trying to keep a good attitude. But remember, we are older and may heal slower than others who are younger. Try to learn as much as you can about the 'healing process'. It is indeed a process and from this time forward your life is changed. You will soon learn what you can and can't do - as compared to before the injury.

Also, give your body the time it needs to heal. Listen to your doctors. I took the time and didn't try to over-do it. There are stages of healing and patience is extremely important.

The simple fact of this type of injury is that your ankle will never be the same as it was. I lost the side-to-side movement and being able to do circles. The doctors said the up-and-down movement is the motion you want to work on the most because you need that to walk again.

Walking again without a limp will take time too. It's been over 5 years for me and on some days I can't walk without a limp. However, there are days I can walk just fine (considering).

PT will work with you to try to get back as much flex and range of motion as possible. Some people on this post say they are back to doing their same old routine, including running and mountain climbing. I guess everyone heals differently and at a different speed. I guess it also depends on which surgeries they'd had and how much hardware they have. (I have 1 pin and 3 screws in my ankle. Some days I can feel the top screws.)

I wish you the best. Continue to post and ask questions. We will encourage you...Read the posts already written, as tehy may help. You will realize that you are experiencing 'normal stuff'.

Wishing you the best healing possible. Be patient and remain positive.

Regards, Cathy King

Sep 22, 2013
Good wishes to all NEW
by: Sandra

Hello to all,
In Dec. it will be two years since my broken talus. I was fortunate in that my break was not nearly as serious as what most of you have experienced. Still, - it was a difficult journey and I remember so well how much this site helped me. There were so many who shared their knowledge and encouragement. I am doing well with only a little stiffness. (I had a pre-existing back condition which was aggravated during this time; I continue to deal with a great deal of pain with this and guess I will for a lifetime. So, although I do not suffer with the extent of talus pain that so many of you experience, I am still a fellow-sufferer. ) I continue to read the posts by each of you and I think of you and send good wishes and prayers for each one. Pain and limitations are so difficult, but I know that your strengths surface amid all these difficulties. Special thoughts to cKing for all the helpful information and encouragement and to Chris for much kindness to me. Chris, praying for a good recovery for you. For all of you on this site, I admire your strengths and I send prayers for all the best for you. Enjoy the lovely autumn season that lies ahead. God bless. Sandra : )

Sep 22, 2013
6 screws ,1 pin NEW
by: david

On may 29/13broke my talus this is the worst thing happens to me''im 41'been a healthy person all my life I did start my rehab a week ago'''but I'm so stiff''im extremly afraid I will not improved my flexion,,,please someone out there ''give me some hope'''i limp badly'''able to flex only 5 % of my foot'''

Sep 22, 2013
6 screws ,1 pin NEW
by: david

On may 29/13broke my talus this is the worst thing happens to me''im 41'been a healthy person all my life I did start my rehab a week ago'''but I'm so stiff''im extremly afraid I will not improved my flexion,,,please someone out there ''give me some hope'''i limp badly'''able to flex only 5 % of my foot'''

Sep 22, 2013
6 screws ,1 pin NEW
by: david

On may 29/13broke my talus this is the worst thing happens to me''im 41'been a healthy person all my life I did start my rehab a week ago'''but I'm so stiff''im extremly afraid I will not improved my flexion,,,please someone out there ''give me some hope'''i limp badly'''able to flex only 5 % of my foot'''

Sep 22, 2013
6 screws ,1 pin NEW
by: david

On may 29/13broke my talus this is the worst thing happens to me''im 41'been a healthy person all my life I did start my rehab a week ago'''but I'm so stiff''im extremly afraid I will not improved my flexion,,,please someone out there ''give me some hope'''i limp badly'''able to flex only 5 % of my foot'''

Sep 17, 2013
TO Chris NEW
by: Cking

Wow! I hope this surgery is what you needed Chris. I hope you heal from the constant pain you've experienced up until now. Christmas is a good date to set. That will be a Merry Christmas for you and will be here before you know it. :o)
Please keep us posted. You have gotten through the crutches before. I am sure you will be fine right now.

Personally, I have not been able to find the time to get back for my proceedure yet. Although, I have mostly good days. Some weekends no pain at all. Makes me want to reconsider the proceedure. Maybe?...Figure as long as I can walk with most comfort (considering) it is okay. Still not running. Funny I've 'dreamed of running' when I sleep. LOL Wanting to start a walking routine very soon. Maybe a better indoor machine for starters. At least the ground will be level and the workout wouldn't hurt either.

For the women: I am able to wear cute wedge heels. Most comfortable at 1.5". Although, I have worn 2" boots. At 5'7" that is tall enough.

Seems 'pressure-weight' isn't as painful anymore either and I still try to stretch my ankle as far as possible. Sometimes I hear crackles but it does feel good. Sure do miss being able to rotate and stretch out at the same time.

Best wishes all.

Sep 17, 2013
broken talus NEW
by: chris

Hi everyone have not been here for a while but thought i would give you all a little update. Well i went through a ankle fusion last Monday which went well went into hospital on Sunday afternoon had op Monday morning got home on Wednesday.After fracturing my talus two years ago i was still in a lot of pain and also my subtalar joint had slipped i also had arthritis in the subtalar joint so i made my mind up to go through with it. I am in a cast with no weight bearing for two weeks then i will slowly be able to gradually put weight on it over ten weeks.I will be in a cast for a total of twelve weeks.my surgeon said he got my heel back looking normal as it was sitting slightly out also took away the arthritis filled a space with bone that he got from the bone bank he removed two screws from my talus from previous OP.He said my foot will be a better looking shape as it was turned in slightly
and i wont be walking on the edge of my foot also the main thing is i wont be in pain any more which will be good. Well cant believe i am back on crutches again and sitting here on the couch but i am feeling positive and will just have to sit it out once again. Hopefully i will be back on my feet for xmas.xx








Aug 12, 2013
20 years on NEW
by: Anonymous

Comminuted facture of the talus neck in 1993 from a 30 foot fall got one large bolt through the middle. Pleased to say I am still walking around up mountains albeit not running and only suffer from the arthritic pain in the winter or when i have had a serious walk with weight. Got my 20 year check up tomorrow so waiting to see what the quack says as i may well be due an arthroscopy. I have followed the advice I got on my 5 year check up so far which was spare the knife as long as possible. Breaking a talus is not the end of the world but most definitely requires a change in lifestyle.

Aug 12, 2013
20 years on NEW
by: Anonymous

Comminuted facture of the talus neck in 1993 from a 30 foot fall got one large bolt through the middle. Pleased to say I am still walking around up mountains albeit not running and only suffer from the arthritic pain in the winter or when i have has a serious walk with weight. Got my 20 year check up tomorrow so waiting to see what the quack says as i may well be due an arthroscopy. I have followed the advice I got on my 5 year check up so far which was spare the knife as long as possible. Breaking a talus is not the end of the world but most definitely requires a change in lifestyle.

Aug 12, 2013
20 years on NEW
by: Anonymous

Comminuted facture of the talus neck in 1993 from a 30 foot fall got one large bolt through the middle. Pleased to say I am still walking around up mountains albeit not running and only suffer from the arthritic pain in the winter or when i have has a serious walk with weight. Got my 20 year check up tomorrow so waiting to see what the quack says as i may well be due an arthroscopy. I have followed the advice I got on my 5 year check up so far which was spare the knife as long as possible. Breaking a talus is not the end of the world but most definitely requires a change in lifestyle.

Aug 12, 2013
20 years on NEW
by: Anonymous

Comminuted facture of the talus neck in 1993 from a 30 foot fall got one large bolt through the middle. Pleased to say I am still walking around up mountains albeit not running and only suffer from the arthritic pain in the winter or when i have has a serious walk with weight. Got my 20 year check up tomorrow so waiting to see what the quack says as i may well be due an arthroscopy. I have followed the advice I got on my 5 year check up so far which was spare the knife as long as possible. Breaking a talus is not the end of the world but most definitely requires a change in lifestyle.

Apr 25, 2013
Split Talor Head NEW
by: Derek

Hello everyone,

Just thought I would share an update on the 1-year anniversary of breaking my talor head and dislocating my left ankle. At this point in my recovery I'm able to do most of the things that I was able to do before my break. I've been able to play softball, volleyball, run a mile, etc... The more dynamic the activity, the more likely I experience soreness the next few days afterwards. I haven't had swelling for the last 6 months and feel I've had a pretty remarkable recovery. Is my ankle 100%? No, but after my initial diagnosis and reading information about my injury, I feel extremely lucky. Some days I wake up stiff/sore but it is usually fine after the blood gets flowing and I don't have to take any pain meds. For those of you that are just going through the very beginning stages of this type of injury, keep your head up and know that great recoveries are possible. Follow your doctors orders, complete physical therapy and do all the stretching exercises in between. Good luck everyone.

Mar 11, 2013
Arizona Brace NEW
by: Kimberly

I originally broke my talus back in October of 2011 so it has been a little over a year. I can sympathize with all of you here. I have pins, screws and a plate. One of the best things my surgeon recommended was an Arizona brace. Its not attractive but since I've had mine it has allowed me to get around comfortably. It keeps my ankle immobilized & fits in a pair of hiking boots. I have even been able to hike (more like wood stroll)again. While it may not be the best solution I have had great results with it.
Hope everyone here recovers!

Jan 31, 2013
new choice NEW
by: cking

I had my December appointment with the Andrews Institute in Gulf Breeze Fl. My doctor did a CAT scan on my ankle to get a better, more detailed picture of where the screws and pin are. He feels confident to remove the top 2 screws and also recommends the poor-mans solution to stem cell. Says they've had very good results in this particular treatment. Treated many professional athletes with good results. Some of you asked about this earlier: They draw your oen blood, spin it around to seperate the platlets (which is the richest and most healing part of your blood)and then reinject it into the joint area (mine would be where the arthritis is showing) in an attempt to slow down and maybe heal the damaged area. The nurse says it only hurts for the 1st 3 minutes. (ha, ha - easy for her to say) I'd be off my foot for a few days - 2 weeks due to the surgical proceedure and the injection into the ankle joint. But I can return to work with crutches and a boot. Then, I should be able to walk around fine they say. He did say he was being conservative in my treatment because there is always the risk of doing more harm in surgery and this course of treatment would be tried before a fusion. Something other people considering a fusion may want to try. My injection would cost @ $400 out of pocket, as they said insurance does not cover it. As far as when I will have this done - We are short handed at work now, but it is basically up to me and my schedule. :o)Stay informed and good luck to you all.
Cathy

Jan 25, 2013
Fusion NEW
by: Clark

Chris,

Good luck on your fusion. I went yesterday for a 3 week follow up and the doctor said the incisions were healing nicely but it was really too early to tell if the fusion was a success. I have to go back in four weeks for more x rays. Of course no weight bearing. I work as an accountant so I was able to go back to work after a week. I keep my foot propped up on my desk to help with the swelling. This surgery was not as bad as some I have had in the past with this injury. The first 48 hours was a little rough with pain but after that I have been able to tolerate it with no pain meds. The doctor told me I would start weight bearing on the foot at first in the boot I am wearing. I am being patient and hoping this will help me get back to the active life I once led. I don't hold any illusions I will ever run again or anything like that but I just want to be able to do normal everyday activities without alot of swelling and pain and discomfort. Keep me posted on your surgery. Take Care, Clark

Jan 25, 2013
broken talus NEW
by: chris

Hi Clark i am at the moment waiting to get a ankle fusion after fracturing my talus in July 2011. I also walk on the side of my foot and have pain every day my consultant told me that i should be pain free after this OP. I am to get a subtalar joint fusion.My foot is also crooked looking tends to turn in. I do hope that everything goes well for you.I feel that this injury has bee life changing.How long do you expect to be off work etc ? I wish you all the best in your recovery x

Jan 24, 2013
Ankle Fusion NEW
by: Clark

Hi all,

This is Clark in Alabama. I haven't posted in a while. My original talus injury was April 2011. I shattered my talus into about 30 pieces. I am 3 weeks post op from an ankle fusion. This was my best chance my surgeon thought to have a somewhat active life again. My surgeon was pleasantly surprised during the surgery that I had more blood flow to the area than he thought. He is very optimistic that this surgery will help me. I am non weight bearing for 7 more weeks. I am wearing a bone stimulator to promote re-growth in the injured area. The surgeon used a bone from a bone bank instead of taking one from my hip or leg. I am praying this gives me some relief. He reset my foot as it had grown back crooked and I walked on the side of my foot. Hope everyone else is healing and learning to adapt from this terrible injury. Happy New Year. Clark

Dec 03, 2012
Original Surgeon NEW
by: cking

My original surgeon was on call from Tampa and is in the Air Force. I understand that he is the Chief of Orthopedics (?) at Mc Dill AFB - his name is Richard Rhodes.

He is the young Richard Rhodes...as I tried to locate him to send a thank you letter for his surgical skills, there appears to be another older doctor in Tampa with the same name.

Hope this helps. :o)

Dec 01, 2012
getting surgery in tampa also NEW
by: ben

who was your doctor?? I have a broken talus and want a good one !!!

benschnapf@gmail.com

Dec 01, 2012
getting surgery in tampa also NEW
by: ben

who was your doctor?? I have a broken talus and want a good one !!!

benschnapf@gmail.com

Dec 01, 2012
getting surgery in tampa also NEW
by: ben

who was your doctor?? I have a broken talus and want a good one !!!

benschnapf@gmail.com

Nov 26, 2012
To: Josh NEW
by: cking

Thank you for your encouragement. Sounds as if you are back in full force. Makes me even more determined to speak to my ortho dr in December regarding what he thinks I should be able to do. I've heard of stories from others being able to get right back out there and being active again. Maybe they didn't break their bone like mine or maybe I've been too careful??? There must be something different about our breaks. I don't know. I am seriously considering removing a screw or 2 or 3. Maybe that will make a difference. The pin will always be there because it broke off inside the talus during surgery. I would love to be back to MY 'normal' again. Will get a more definative answer in December. Hope it's not too late to fix anything that can be made better - since it has been @ 4 yrs now. The bone is pretty strong by now. Grown tight to the hardware. Don't know how difficult it will be to remove the screws without the chance of any other damage. Will keep you all posted as it happens.
Take care and Happy Holidays, Merry Christmas soon to you all!

Nov 21, 2012
1 year and 2 months since i had surgery on mine NEW
by: Josh

Mine was displaced and fractured riding motocross. Had surgery about a week later. Had a great surgeon at an orthopedic center who had worked on me twice before (I was a frequent visitor in my younger years). 3 months non weight bearing, back on the dirtbike at 5 1/2 months. Riding back at normal hitting jumps, stabbing my foot in the ground etc at about 6 1/2 months. I can say that my operation was a huge success. I ride dirtbikes every weekend with no pain, run about 2 miles a day. Just some motivation to those who have their head down from this surgery, I know mine was.

Nov 18, 2012
Thoughts and prayers to each of you NEW
by: Sandra

Hello to everyone,
It is almost one year since my talus break. I was fortunate in that mine was not nearly as severe as most of you. The bones were lined up well and I did not require any surgery. The first six months were very hard for me -- partly due to the talus break and partly due to my pre-existing back problems which became aggravated during recovery. Even though my break was minor compared to what most of you have experienced, no talus break is simple and there were many discouraging days. Reading your posts and the kind, helplful words from so many of you were a great help to me. I thank you! You were all so gracious and kind to me even though you were going through much worse than I was. I am doing quite well now. I have some burning in that foot, a little soreness and still have to be very careful what shoes I wear as I can feel a tendancy for my foot/ankel to want to turn. Once I finally got into physical therapy it was a great help.
I just wanted to check in to let you know that I continue to read all the posts and I feel such empathy and care for what each of you is going through. I think you are such a brave, inspiring group. I read your updates and think of you and whisper a prayer for each need. I want to wish each of you the very best and a blessed season of Thanksgiving. I give thanks for so many things: one of them is this site and the caring people who contribute to it. The human spirit is a wonderful thing and it urges us forward in difficult days and causes us to reach out to others. I continue to deal with the back issues (which they say are inoperable) and pain from that which is quite difficult. But, we go "one day at a time" with hope in our hearts and thankfulness for each blessing. Please know that I admire each of you and the journey you are on; I thank you for your help to me in the past, and I send ongoing prayers. Happy Thanksgiving to all. God bless. --- Sandra :)

Nov 18, 2012
Thoughts and prayers to each of you NEW
by: Sandra

Hello to everyone,
It is almost one year since my talus break. I was fortunate in that mine was not nearly as severe as most of you. The bones were lined up well and I did not require any surgery. The first six months were very hard for me -- partly due to the talus break and partly due to my pre-existing back problems which became aggravated during recovery. Even though my break was minor compared to what most of you have experienced, no talus break is simple and there were many discouraging days. Reading your posts and the kind, helplful words from so many of you were a great help to me. I thank you! You were all so gracious and kind to me even though you were going through much worse than I was. I am doing quite well now. I have some burning in that foot, a little soreness and still have to be very careful what shoes I wear as I can feel a tendancy for my foot/ankel to want to turn. Once I finally got into physical therapy it was a great help.
I just wanted to check in to let you know that I continue to read all the posts and I feel such empathy and care for what each of you is going through. I think you are such a brave, inspiring group. I read your updates and think of you and whisper a prayer for each need. I want to wish each of you the very best and a blessed season of Thanksgiving. I give thanks for so many things: one of them is this site and the caring people who contribute to it. The human spirit is a wonderful thing and it urges us forward in difficult days and causes us to reach out to others. I continue to deal with the back issues (which they say are inoperable) and pain from that which is quite difficult. But, we go "one day at a time" with hope in our hearts and thankfulness for each blessing. Please know that I admire each of you and the journey you are on; I thank you for your help to me in the past, and I send ongoing prayers. Happy Thanksgiving to all. God bless. --- Sandra :)

Nov 18, 2012
1 year 2 months out NEW
by: Barbara

It's me again. I was catching up on everyone's updates and decided to post mine as well. I got a second opinion on my talus fracture, which currently has 2 screws, consistant moderate pain and poor dorsiflexion. The new Dr. found a piece of bone that formed in the healing process which is blocking my motion and causing some of my pain. She said I have mild arthritis already.
So my plan is to have an osteotomy of that piece of bone and also probably some calf muscle lenthening with a possibility of an achilles tendon lenthening. (lengthening is just due to the fact that my ankle has not moved through the whole range of motion for so long.)
Dr. said it will PROBABLY increase my motion and PROBABLY decrease my pain. I'll TAKE IT! You have to try.
On a side note, I've been taking in some cousiling sessions which have been slowly helping me deal with how my life has changed. Cousiling and prayer combined is the best method for me. I of course am nervous for this additional surgery (it will be my 4th all together as a result of a car running over both my legs), but the benefit far surpasses the bad parts of the actual surgical recovery! There are surely dark days when dealing with this injury, but keep plugging along and you'll find your way. I'm still going... haven't quite figured this all out, but I won't stop trying.
Best of luck to everyone with their situations. Keep posting! Makes me feel like I'm not alone in what I'm going through. Means a lot!

Nov 18, 2012
1 year 2 months out NEW
by: Barbara

It's me again. I was catching up on everyone's updates and decided to post mine as well. I got a second opinion on my talus fracture, which currently has 2 screws, consistant moderate pain and poor dorsiflexion. The new Dr. found a piece of bone that formed in the healing process which is blocking my motion and causing some of my pain. She said I have mild arthritis already.
So my plan is to have an osteotomy of that piece of bone and also probably some calf muscle lenthening with a possibility of an achilles tendon lenthening. (lengthening is just due to the fact that my ankle has not moved through the whole range of motion for so long.)
Dr. said it will PROBABLY increase my motion and PROBABLY decrease my pain. I'll TAKE IT! You have to try.
On a side note, I've been taking in some cousiling sessions which have been slowly helping me deal with how my life has changed. Cousiling and prayer combined is the best method for me. I of course am nervous for this additional surgery (it will be my 4th all together as a result of a car running over both my legs), but the benefit far surpasses the bad parts of the actual surgical recovery! There are surely dark days when dealing with this injury, but keep plugging along and you'll find your way. I'm still going... haven't quite figured this all out, but I won't stop trying.
Best of luck to everyone with their situations. Keep posting! Makes me feel like I'm not alone in what I'm going through. Means a lot!

Nov 12, 2012
To Chris NEW
by: cking

Good to hear from you again, Chris. Do not be discouraged. From the beginning my doctor said this type of injury is very serious and could require more than one surgery. I guess after 1 year, this could qualify as your 2nd surgery. Of course, I wish you all the best. Think positive, as your doctor is fixing a problem that is causing you pain. Sounds as if you are certainly going to be feeling better. I assume as with your other surgery...you will have time with no weight-bearing and maybe some more PT. I guess that all depends on the extent of your surgery.

I have another ankle appt with Andrews Institute. I thought it was in November. However, it's not until December. I am seriously considering the removal of some hardware...a screw or two. Of course, I will have plenty of questions for the doctor. Will also get more information on the 'poor man's stem cell treatment'. Maybe that can be worked out at the same time, if I have ther scews removed. Keep me under is okay with me. Will keep you posted. Take care.

Chris keep us posted on your recovery. Best wishes! P.S. how did that something shift, slip, or move out of place?

Nov 10, 2012
broken talus NEW
by: chris

Hi everyone sorry i have not posted for a long time
but there has not been a lot to say about this crazy fracture that we all have had. I am now 1 year and 3 months since my accident i had a MRI scan done in august as my ankle seems to bend in the way well any way i have recently seen a ankle specialist and he said that my talus has healed great and no sign of arthritis but something has moved and this is causing my ankle to bend in the way so i am going back into hospital for more surgery after new year but he did say that i will not have any more pain and i will also have more movement. So i will just have to go through it again but hopefully wont be as long recovery as the last time.i hope everyone is healing well xxx





Nov 07, 2012
Broken Talus on Aug 11, 2012 NEW
by: Anonymous

I have to start of by saying reading all your postings has brighten after seeing the Dr today and told "no driving still". It's been 3 LONG months of recovery from breaking my talus bone in my right foot from competing in the Spartan Race. Surgery, screws a plate the whole nine yards. Before the injury I was a avid runner and not enjoyed, LOVED running. I have been told I may have to shelf running, but after reading some of your posts I feel positive I may return to my passion. Maybe not tomorrow or the next day but someday.
Thanks everyone!! :) :)

Oct 24, 2012
Four months post talus fracture NEW
by: Anonymous

It has been fantastic to discover this site and to read the stories, on here, many of them very inspiring. I had never heard of the talus bone until I was involved in a car vs pedestrian accident four months ago. I was (safely) crossing a road when hit by a vehicle travelling at speed. As I was thrown up onto the car's hood, my foot took the full impact. My talus smashed into multiple pieces, requiring an emergency ORIF with three screws and a bone graft. The surgeon told me that many of the smaller fragments could not be found during surgery.

For the first three months I was completely non weight bearing, and really made sure to take good care of my body. I took the entire time off work and made sure to get as much sun as possible, to eat a very healthy diet and take supplements. I'm not sure if these had any impact, but the specialists were very surprised at my progress. No signs of AVN so far, though it is likely in the future, as well as arthritis.

I am now in month 4 and have just started gentle rehabilitation. It is still extremely stiff and painful and I am unable to walk, but I am seeing very gradual progress. I feel like I have come a long way since four months ago!

This is such a rare fracture, and it has been difficult to explain to others how severe this is, or the extent of the pain and longterm prognosis. It's also been amazing what a huge impact this has had (and continues to have) in life, family and work.

All the best to everyone with their progress for this very difficult injury!

Oct 24, 2012
Four months post talus fracture NEW
by: Anonymous

It has been fantastic to discover this site and to read the stories, on here, many of them very inspiring. I had never heard of the talus bone until I was involved in a car vs pedestrian accident four months ago. I was (safely) crossing a road when hit by a vehicle travelling at speed. As I was thrown up onto the car's hood, my foot took the full impact. My talus smashed into multiple pieces, requiring an emergency ORIF with three screws and a bone graft. The surgeon told me that many of the smaller fragments could not be found during surgery.

For the first three months I was completely non weight bearing, and really made sure to take good care of my body. I took the entire time off work and made sure to get as much sun as possible, to eat a very healthy diet and take supplements. I'm not sure if these had any impact, but the specialists were very surprised at my progress. No signs of AVN so far, though it is likely in the future, as well as arthritis.

I am now in month 4 and have just started gentle rehabilitation. It is still extremely stiff and painful and I am unable to walk, but I am seeing very gradual progress. I feel like I have come a long way since four months ago!

This is such a rare fracture, and it has been difficult to explain to others how severe this is, or the extent of the pain and longterm prognosis. It's also been amazing what a huge impact this has had (and continues to have) in life, family and work.

All the best to everyone with their progress for this very difficult injury!

Oct 20, 2012
Running NEW
by: JON

I broke both Talus bones in my left and right ankles after a rock climbing accident. I still run occasionally and play soccer once a week. After a game or a run my ankle swells and I am very sore and hobble. However, I can still run which is a blessing as I have always been a cross country runner. My dr. said that running was out of the question back in 2005 when I had the accident. My left ankle has a pin and screws. It cracks constantly and I was wondering if this is a problem. I assume that arthritis is inevitable. Does anybody know if the cracking is normal? My range of motion is limited when leaning forward and my right knee is now taking the brunt, especially when squatting. Are there any serious consequences to continue this type of exercise?

Oct 17, 2012
Moving Forward... NEW
by: Cking

To D.Schroeder: After only 1 yr your recovery? Your rate of healing is amazing to me. 90% is remarkable! I thought I was doing good in the top 5% with this kind of injury. You've had more surgeries than I and more screws than I too. I can't believe you can run again. They told me no running and low impact. I still have 3 screws in place and am considering having them removed (if possible). Always nervous about more surgeries though. Why did they keep the other 3 screws in place compared to the 2 they removed? Are you concerned when running or other high impact activies or re-injuring your ankle? Is there that possibility? Does it hurt to run and what type of range of motion did you get back? I assume you need a good range of motion to actually run. I would love to have 90%, but don't think it will be possible for me. But I welcome any encouragement. :o)
To Katie: 6 months is still early regarding this type of injury. I had no weight therapy for at least the first 3 months. Then, the bone had to get stronger with weight over time. Thank you for your kind words. :o)
To Steph: OMGosh! Your injury and journey sound practically identical to my own. Low impact, pain, stiffness. Aleve! The same is true for me. I have a follow-up appt in November and will ask more questions regarding the "Poor Man's Alternative To Stem Cell Therapy". It will be expensive and the dr said insurance does not cover it. Will write back after the Nov appt. As far as the ankle brace, I bought an over-the-counter wrap-brace w/velcro at Walmart. I can re-adjust the brace if it begins to feel too tight. It seems to be just enough extra light support to feel better and it does help in keeping the swelling down. Sometimes I wonder about circulation too because of the feelings of coldness I continue to get.??? Will ask in November about that too. What exactly should I be able to do at this point, right?
To Clark: I cannot imagine my ankle being broken in 30 pieces. What can I say, but continue to move forward on all levels. Surround yourself with a good support system or chocolate. LOL - Sometimes we don't get all the choices. Sometimes we can only get through it and hope that one day the technology will catch-up to us. Remain strong my friend!

Please continue to post for us all. It does help those who read to know they are not alone and there is hope!
Cathy

Oct 11, 2012
Have Hope Guys NEW
by: D.Schroeder

Just checking in with everyone. It’s been almost a year after my injury. Hawkins type 3. I developed tarsal tunnel along with all the other complications I posted last. I just received another surgery to release the nerve that was being suffocated by the scar tissue. Great news though no avn and I’m back to work as a firefighter. I can even jog again. It’s a little bit of an awkward stride but it can happen. I have no limp when I walk and I have challenged myself on how far I can walk. I can go the whole day at theme parks, hunting, work and I have no real issues. My doctors are talking about doing an arthroscopic surgery now to remove the remaining scar tissue. So 3 surgeries in total and I should be back to 90%. I recommend if you have rsd or any nerve damage please go talk to your doctor about getting the tarsal tunnel surgery. I don’t have to deal with the pins and needle feeling on the bottom of my foot or toes too much. It’s getting easier and eerier every morning getting up and putting pressure on it. Almost walking immediately in the mornings without any limp. Second if your doctor is up for ask about the removing of the scar tissue. Also I had 2 of my 5 screws removed. Hard work guys I know yall can do it though. Pain is just weakness leaving the body. Dec 4th will be my 1 year mark from when I had this injury and come December I will be extremely happy with my progress so far. I think in about 1 more year from December I will be back to everything I love. Have patients everything will start getting better.

SrA Schroeder

Oct 09, 2012
recovering well NEW
by: Katie

Hi everyone,
Just wanted to check in to say that it has been almost 6 months since my injury, and so far I am recovering well. I dislocated and fractured my talus into several pieces so I am a high risk candidate for AVN, etc. But so far, I don't have it! My surgeon is very surprised. But I have been diligently doing a variety of treatments from the beginning, including bone supplements, homeopathy, ultrasound therapy (the kind for healing bone fractures), acupuncture, and physiotherapy. The acupuncture has been particularly effective in reducing the swelling and restoring circulation.

I have to be very careful still as it is easy to overdo the walking, standing, and even the physio exercises. So hard to give the joint proper rest when there is so much to be done! But I am trying.

The flexibility of my ankle is still not 100%, but it is getting better, even the side to side motion. The acupunturist I've been going to has also done some acupressure on trigger points in my foot and that has made a dramatic difference with both strength and flexibility. I highly recommend acupuncture/pressure for anyone with this type of injury as it addresses the issues in a different way that goes beyond the scope of physiotherapy, in my experience.

Thanks Cathy for your continuous support and encouragement to everyone here. I'm so sorry to hear about your brother. My sincerest condolences to you and your family.

Oct 05, 2012
Update NEW
by: Steph

Hello all. It has been just over 2 years since my injury. My husband and I recently moved to another state so I went to see a new orthopedic surgeon. Based on the x-rays he took, I found out that I have arthritis in my talus but it is not too bad yet. He also said that he doubts if my injury will improve much more but that I will most likely find ways to work around it or compensate for it which could feel like an improvement to me. Also I was under the impression that later in life, I might be a candidate for an ankle replacement if I needed it due to pain but he said that I would not be because the bone that would need replaced would be the talus and there is no such thing as a talus replacement. He is sending me to get new shoe inserts which are also for my plantar fasciitis and he suggested buying shoes with a rocker bottom. I doubt I will buy the shoes as they are not very attractive. I wear tennis shoes all of the time…even with my dress pants…because they are the only shoes that are comfortable for me. I am only allowed to do low impact exercise and he said the best are bicycling and elliptical. I think he might have said swimming too but I’m not sure. He also said I should do strength building exercises with a band.

As far as how I feel, I have stiffness and achiness in the mornings or if I am stationary for too long but it usually goes away once I get moving. I also get pain when I over do it and walk too much especially on hard surfaces. When it is painful, I limp and it is more difficult to walk but that also usually goes away by the next day with rest. Most of the time, I don’t take anything for the pain but when I do, I take two Aleve.

My hubby and I recently went to San Francisco and I walked so much that when I woke up in the middle of the night, I could barely walk across the room. By morning it was better and I was out sightseeing again. I went sightseeing 4 days in a row. I can’t do everything I used to do but I am thankful for what I can do. I am careful but I am going to keep doing as much as I possibly for as long as I can.

Best of luck to everyone. Please keep posting.

C King…What kind of ankle brace did you buy and were you worried about it affecting your circulation? Also, what is the “poor man’s alternative to stem cell therapy” treatment called? I would like to research it. Also, what do they do to clean up the arthritis and how much does that usually help? Thanks.

Oct 05, 2012
Update NEW
by: Steph

Hello all. It has been just over 2 years since my injury. My husband and I recently moved to another state so I went to see a new orthopedic surgeon. Based on the x-rays he took, I found out that I have arthritis in my talus but it is not too bad yet. He also said that he doubts if my injury will improve much more but that I will most likely find ways to work around it or compensate for it which could feel like an improvement to me. Also I was under the impression that later in life, I might be a candidate for an ankle replacement if I needed it due to pain but he said that I would not be because the bone that would need replaced would be the talus and there is no such thing as a talus replacement. He is sending me to get new shoe inserts which are also for my plantar fasciitis and he suggested buying shoes with a rocker bottom. I doubt I will buy the shoes as they are not very attractive. I wear tennis shoes all of the time…even with my dress pants…because they are the only shoes that are comfortable for me. I am only allowed to do low impact exercise and he said the best are bicycling and elliptical. I think he might have said swimming too but I’m not sure. He also said I should do strength building exercises with a band.

As far as how I feel, I have stiffness and achiness in the mornings or if I am stationary for too long but it usually goes away once I get moving. I also get pain when I over do it and walk too much especially on hard surfaces. When it is painful, I limp and it is more difficult to walk but that also usually goes away by the next day with rest. Most of the time, I don’t take anything for the pain but when I do, I take two Aleve.

My hubby and I recently went to San Francisco and I walked so much that when I woke up in the middle of the night, I could barely walk across the room. By morning it was better and I was out sightseeing again. I went sightseeing 4 days in a row. I can’t do everything I used to do but I am thankful for what I can do. I am careful but I am going to keep doing as much as I possibly for as long as I can.

Best of luck to everyone. Please keep posting.

C King…What kind of ankle brace did you buy and were you worried about it affecting your circulation? Also, what is the “poor man’s alternative to stem cell therapy” treatment called? I would like to research it. Also, what do they do to clean up the arthritis and how much does that usually help? Thanks.

Sep 17, 2012
Update NEW
by: Clark

Hi all,

It's been quite a while since I posted on here but I do come on here and read the stories from time to time. My injury was April 2011. I was supposed to have an ankle fusion this past summer but got a second opinion before the surgery and the doctor said the risk of nonfusion was extremely high and he declined to operate so I postponed my surgery and am still considering this option. My talus was shattered into 30 pieces and I really don't have that many options on fixing my foot. I still am plagued with swelling, nerve twinges, athritis pain, etc. etc. I too walk on the side of my foot which is painful and frustrating. Some days I wake up and think wow I've made progress I feel great today and then in a few days I feel like I have taken two steps back and the pain is as worse as ever. I never even heard of the talus bone before this injury but now I realize what a life changing injury this is. I still am able to work at my desk job as an accountant so I feel blessed to still be able to work. I hope someday with medical advancement they will be able to correct this horrible injury so we can all have a more normal active life. I wish you all the best in healing emotionally and physically. I take it day by day and have learned to slow down and enjoy the simple things in life. Take care all

Clark

Sep 17, 2012
hummmm... NEW
by: Cking

Barbara - I am glad you found this site too. I hope you will find encouragement through the stories and experiences of the others that share a broken talus injury. Although, you have had more injuries that I cannot imagine. As it has been 1 yr for you - you are certainly a strong woman to have come this far. I wish you continued healing, physically and emotionally. You can get stronger each day. You may feel at this point discouraged...but each day can bring a hope and a sense of strength with each challenge conquered. You will begin to see how far you have come and I sincerely hope that does begin to rebuild your self confidence. I hope you can soon see a brighter future. Don't think of what you can't do, but rather look for what you CAN do! (This past April 25, 2012, my brother was also a victim of a drunk driver. He was also a pedestrian & was hit from behind. However, my brother did not survive, as he was broken in too many pieces.) Please try to look forward and make a better, brighter future. You can control it from this point on...Best wishes and thank you for sharing with us. Please post again. My employer worked with me - I was most fortunate!

Chris - I still have a problem with walking to the outside of my foot, swelling and pulled tendons. I did go back to the Andrews Institute here in Gulf Breeze, FL. and I was fitted for an orthotic insert - higher to the outside to lift up the pull to the tendons. In addition, I also bought an over-the-counter ankle wrap. The wrap seems to give me more support and definately helps with the swelling. The most recent doctor's suggestion is to wear it for 3 more months. So, I wait and see...

Some other future options my doctor suggested would be possibly more surgery to clean up the arthritis, removing the 3 screws or trying another option for pain called the POOR MAN'S ALTERNATIVE TO STEM CELL THERAPY. This process uses my own blood platelets (sp?)in addition to another hormorne (?). They would inject this solution back into my ankle. The doctor says it should help with the pain and they have had good success with this type of treatment. Less costly than stem-cells. We didn't really talk about this option in depth because we are not there yet. But he assurred me there were other options to try. He still could not believe how much hardware I have in my ankle.

Well, that is all for now. Will keep you updated as I progress. Take care and best wishes to you all.
Cathy

Sep 16, 2012
broken talus NEW
by: chris

hi everyone.sorry i have not been on for few months but here is a update well it is now just over a year since my accident i am now walking with a slight limp i also walk on the side of my foot which is very annoying and begins to ache as the day goes on.When i get out of bed in the morning i do find it hard to walk but after 20 minutes or so it seems to get better.I have good days and bad days I seen my consultant in july and had some x-rays done he seemed a bit worried that my ankle seems to lean in the way so i had to go and get a mri scan i am waiting on the results hope i dont need more surgery i take each day as it comes i now know my ankle will never be the same i still have a fare bit of pain but it seems to feel like tendons or muscles swelling is not to bad i can walk a mile. But i do notice in the evenings my ankle seems to stiffen up after sitting for a while and is painful happy healing to everyone x chris

Sep 14, 2012
1 year out NEW
by: Barbara

Hello all ye talus fracture people!
I'm so glad I found this page. I'm coming up on my one year post talar neck displaced fracture. with an ORIF including 2 screws. (I was a pedestrian hit by a car (sorry not a sports injury), which also complicated my recovery since I had surgery on my opposite leg as well for different issues.)
I can "Get around" with sneakers on, that have to be running sneakers with a higher heel, because I cannot dorsiflex my ankle past 0 degrees. So if I keep my toe pointed it feels a little better. I can only stand in one place for a maximum of 5 minutes before I'm looking for a place to sit down. My walking tolerance is about 10 minutes only on level suraces. As I mentioned I cannot bend my ankle upward (dorsiflex) and can hardly bring it out to the side (evert).
As soon as I wake up in the morning I have dull aching pains, asI walk around during the day I'm about at a 5/10 constant pain, and then I get occassional 7/10 sharp snapping pains and of course swelling.
I'm in my young 30's and I have anxiety over what kind of enjoyment of my life I will have. Almost everything actively I liked to do, I can't do any more. Tennis, walking my dogs, walking a few miles, going to concerts, even chasing after my young nieces and nephew. I've been on temporary light duty at work for 90 days and I'm worried I'll lose my job soon. Has anyone elses job status been effected by their talus injury?
I do try to think of how far I've come since the accident, but it doesn't make me feel any better over the things that I'm missing out on now.

Aug 20, 2012
To Bethany NEW
by: Cathy K

Welcome Bethany. I am glad you found this site.
How terrible your accident sounded. Your words were moving and really place a broken talus into perspective. Seriuosly! I do remember my doctors telling my husband and I that this is a "very serious accident/break". And, if I had to break my ankle the talus was NOT the bone you wanted broken.(As if we had a choice - ha,ha)

So, from that point on what do we do? It had been broken and I have been told time and time again it will never be the same or the way God made it. I guess with all my hope and effort I need a dose of reality from time-to-time too. But, I still try and I still exercise and stretch and get check ups and push myself a bit further. I am 49 yrs old and will be 50 in Jan. Still many years ahead of me to use this ol' ankle! I have always been active in sports and life in general - this injury has set me back. But I've got to keep moving forward. Now it's more like one step at a time than as before by leaps and bounds...

I haven't tried to walk a mile. Although, I am sure I would be sore afterwards. Since my last appointment I have heard stories of worse surgeries for others and I've purchased a special-made theraputic insert for my right ankle/foot (insurance doesn't cover the costs either ...urrgg!). I am wearing it for 7 weeks to see if it helps to get my foot back in alignment or at least leveled out. I am currently walking to the outside of my foot. I also added a light-weight ankle brace too. My hope (yes I still have hope) is that these tools will help to strengthen my ankle better. I know it will never be the same.

I don't know of any exercises to help your ankle. My ankle doesn't really go side-to-side anymore. I would ask your doctor or a PT. I am sure they could recommend the correct movements for your particular break/situation. Always ask and inquire and research. That at least gives you the knowledge you need to make a good decision. :o)

Best wishes! Keep sending us posts. They really do help others. I personally would like to hear from those who have had this type of injury for a few years. I would like to know how they are doing now, if they are better, or worse, or have any suggestions... I also hope those that wrote in earlier posts - who have not written recently -are doing okay. Take Care.
Cathy

Aug 19, 2012
6years NEW
by: bethanie

I was in a serious accident 6 years ago. Broke right talus bone (compound fracture ) had external fixator for 1 1/2 months followed by 2my months no pressure at all in walking boot. Suffered alot from this wreck small intestines half gone and other problems but this is the worst thing ever. Have hard time walking everyday. They want to fuse my ankle joint but honestly im 35to and not ready to wear a special shoe and walk awkward. Anyone know what best excerise i can do. Cant walk more than mile.

Jul 23, 2012
update NEW
by: Katie

Just wanted to update and say that my recovery continues to go well. I'm fully walking now, not very fast and with a bit of a limp, but still! It's great to be on my feet again! The physio has increased my flexibility very noticeably within a week of daily exercises and the strength in my left leg muscles is also coming back. My physio tells me my talus bone is now farther forward than it should be and that's limiting my flexibility, particularly going down stairs. But he says that's very common with ankle injuries and easily corrected by massaging the bone back into place a little more in each session, and also through the daily strength and flexibility exercises. I've also been swimming quite a bit and the first place I practiced walking again was in the pool. I highly recommend trying this! The water is great for the joints, and swimming is a great way to build strength back. Also, I'm cycling again (has anyone else found that cycling is actually easier than walking?!) So I'm quite happy with my recovery so far.

Cathy, I'm sorry to hear your foot has been bothering you. I hope you are able to correct your gait and stop the pain. I'm sure that you can improve it! I was told there was a high chance of long term complications with a talus fracture. I hope also that yours and others experiences will inspire all of us to take as much care as possible during the recovery to prevent as many complications as possible. Good luck to everyone- remember, we are not alone in this!

Jul 20, 2012
How It Holds Up over time... NEW
by: Cking

I had to go to the Andrews Institute yesterday due to a pulling pain along the outside of my right ankle - the previously broken ankle. I was concerned it was a pulled or torn tendon.

After x-rays and review it has been determined that I have been walking too much to the outside and that has, overtime, produced stress to those smaller tendons on the outside of my ankle/heel.
(My husband always said I walked too far to the outside after the surgery...)

I will be wearing an insert to try to correct the problem. The doctor said it's sort of like a building that is leaning over...now I've got to prop it up level again. My foundation is a bit crooked. ha,ha!!

The danger in NOT caring for this now is that due to my previous ankle injury I do not have much side to side movement/motion - mostly up and down for walking purposes. If I do tear the tendon that would require surgery and PT. The problem would be trying to do PT as my ankle only moves in one general direction.

So, off to the insert doctor! I sure hope this helps. Will know more in @ 7 weeks. OOHHH...lucky seven!

Take Care, Cathy

Jul 20, 2012
Talus Fracture. NEW
by: Pritesh

Hi to all, its been a very long i have not posted. Well i am glad that my life is completely normal like before even after suffering from HawkinsIII type of talus fracture. it took me 6 and half months to start walking normally. But since then i dont have any problem. Thanks to my doctor. I got married aswell in February. i used to be very scared when i suffered from this fracture. i understood the importance of normal life when i was not able to walk, i was so desperate to start walking again. After reading experience on internet about talus fracture...i went more upset, as many guys posted that they cant walk normally again. ...but i must say plz b positive, and follow ur doctor. i pray for those who r suffering from this injury.........tc

Jul 10, 2012
To Sam and Derek NEW
by: cking

Boy Sam, you have really had a terrible accident. Best wishes for the best recovery possible. I cannot imagine how your body is healing from all your injuries. It is possible that the feeling is slow to come back due to the injury. After all, I think we've all experienced different feelings along the way and at different stages of healing. Remain positive! That will help you to become stronger and help your odds increase regarding yourown personal healing journey.

Derek - stairs can be scary - I found trying to walk DOWN the stairs to be the most challenging after my injury. I had to figure out the best way without feeling awkward. Plus, I had to rebuild the strength in my ankle too. Then, I had to regain my own self confidence.

It takes time. Give yourself that much. The good thing is that your body is remarkable and it will heal. Pay attention to your own aches, pains, and progress. Ask questions if needed. Do research on your particular injury. It's your body/ankle. Give yourself the best opportunities to heal.

Keep us posted on your progress and recovery challenges. Your experiences DO help others. Best wishes to you.
Cathy

Jul 10, 2012
Broken Talus - 11 Weeks NEW
by: Derek

Hello all!

It has been 11 weeks since I broke my talus and dislocated my ankle.

Things are still going pretty well as my doctor ordered me to start walking without a boot and minimal use of crutches about 2 weeks ago. Last week, I started physical therapy and will continue to do so for several months.

I'm able to walk without crutches, however, my therapist says that I should take it slow and continue to use one crutch so I can work on maintaining a correct walking gait. I still have some paint and swelling (especially if I over work it). Since I live in a second floor apartment, I'm still dealing with stairs. Going up is not a problem, however, going down still makes me nervous and I have to heavily rely on the hand rails.

Overall I'm pleased with my recovery thus far but since my injury is even rare for talus fractures, it's hard to say how I'm doing compared to similar injuries. Certainly I was probably better off splitting the talus head, than breaking the neck as most of you have experienced. My chances of developing AVN continue to be very low as the blood flow was not cut off to the Talus. Only time will tell if I will be pain free and my ankle fully functional at the end of my recovery.

Hope everyone's recoveries are going well and I'll keep you all updated as things change.

-Derek


Jun 27, 2012
left talus fracture NEW
by: Sam.London england

Hello all,

Amazing reading all these storys.I had a car accident on 26thdec 2011.I broke 4 ribs popped a lung also broke my right femur and completly shattered my left talus into pieces.it was an open fracture.its now been six months and im now up on my feet.my right legs now 2inchs shorter than my left so my balance has been thrown out completly.Ive been told the talus is the worst bone to break just about.i no longer have any sensation in the foot at all to heat or touch.up and down movement has been very limited.ive found that the movement i get from the ankle when im sitting playing around with it and movement when im standing on it is very different.pain as u all will know is quite terrible.i feel as if somebody is holding a tazer to my foot constantly.ive found using good insoles in a good comfy pair of trainers helps alot with walking and pain.ive been left with an awfull limp and the foot is turning outwards.anyone getting the same?

Jun 18, 2012
To: Steph NEW
by: cking

Funny how even though our injuries happened a year or longer ago, we still think about it or still have some pain because of it. That is crazy to me. I also feel like it's more realated to the muscles, tendons, or ligaments. The only time it swells now is when I've over-done it. (Like this weekend again...) But, how do you correct or overcome that?

I've heard a bit of crackling. I didn't feel any pain with that sound. So I assumed it was similar to the sounds I heard in PT when the scar tissue was being broken up. Although I did step to the right last night while unloading the dishwasher and heard and felt a wierd crackle sound, and a little slip. I decided to get off my foot for the rest of the evening. I am hoping I just adjusted it a bit, nothing serious. We'll see in the next day or 2. Usually, that is the most amount of time it takes to feel better when I over-do it.

I really want to walk "normal" again. So, there are days I just decided walk like I use to - not thinking about the 'way' to walk. It doesn't always work though. My ankle doesn't bend the same anymore and my calf gets sore - then, I think about again. Maybe because my ankle is being (forced)used more in a normal way? :o)

Oh well, what can you do? Keep moving, stretching, and rest when needed. I really wish this injury could have been the type that heals and I don't think about or regard it any longer. But, the soreness, etc. is a reminder. But, there are worse things in life. So, I keep my concerns to a minimum. :o)

It's a reminder of how serious this type of injury really is. For those who have had this type of injury, please give yourself the best possible chances to heal. To heal in it's most healthy form/way. Otherwise, it won't heal very well and you could have problems in the years to come.

Best wishes, Cathy

Jun 16, 2012
Response to CKing NEW
by: Steph

Hi Cathy. I am only going to see the orthopaedic surgeon because my family recently moved to a new state and we are in the process of picking new doctors so I thought it would be good idea to get established with an orthopaedic surgeon just in case I ever need one again. I am also hoping that since he is a sports medicine doctor, he can give me some advice on what type of exercise would be best for me. I want my ankle to last as long as possible so I don't want to unknowingly do something to damage it. Also it has been about a year since I have seen my orthopaedic surgeon so it probably doesn't hurt to get a check up and see if anything new has come out that can continue to improve my mobility. What type of follow-up care have you had since your final surgery? I have gotten away from stretching every day so I also plan on asking him if he thinks I should still be doing that. I'm guessing his answer will be yes lol.

When reading all of the posts on here over the past couple of years, I have always felt that our injury and recovery were very similar. I don't have much side motion but it really doesn't bother me. Does it bother you? Also when I do get pain, I really feel like it's more realated to the muscles, tendons, ligaments, plantar fascia, etc. than the bone itself. I am not sure if they were damaged by my accident, the surgery or because they weren't moved and used for so long...probably all of the above. What do you feel your pain is from?

The only other thing I notice from time to time is some cracking or crunching. I have no idea what that is from but it really doesn't bother me either so I am ignoring it for now lol.

I too thank you and all of the others that post on here for the information and support. It has meant so much to me and has really helped me. I will let you know what the sports medicine doctor has to say. Until then, I hope you all continue to improve. Keep posting!

Jun 15, 2012
To: Steph NEW
by: Cking

Steph: Just wondering why you will be seeing a orthepeadic surgeon who also practices sports medicine next month. Are you needing more surgery?

Your healing process sounds very similar to my own years ago. I still have pain at times, some swelling when I over-do it, and my side-to-side motion is restricted due to my injury. The surgeon at Andrews Institute said the risk of surgery compared to the overall outcome would be too high + he can't fix the side-to-side - only giving me a wee-bit more up-and-down. So, I opted out of a second surgery.

At this time I also feel a slight catch or pinching along the side of my ankle (legiment or tendon?) from time to time. Not sure why. I do stretch my ankle everyday to keep it as loose as possible. The surgeon at Andrews stated to keep moving...that is the best thing to do.

Best wishes.
Cathy

Jun 14, 2012
Update NEW
by: Steph

Hello all. It has been 1 year and 9 months since my injury. I still have minor swelling all the time. I also have stiffness when I get out of bed in the mornings and when I sit for long periods of time but it goes away once I get moving. I usually only get pain when I over do it...stores with cement floors seem to bother me the most. The pain usually goes away by the next day. I rarely take pain relievers but when I do,I take Aleve. As far a shoes go, I wear Asics tennis shoes and Nike slide type flip flops. Most other shoes bother my plantar fascia and ankle so I avoid them for now. I always wear my custom orthotic shoe inserts as they really help. My up and down motion is almost normal now but I still don't have much side to side motion. I just recently started working on my diet and exercise and will be seeing a orthepeadic surgeon who also practices sports medicine next month.

Jun 10, 2012
Talus Update NEW
by: Derek

Hello everyone,

Last Thursday I had my six week check up to see how my ankle was recovering. To my surprise, my doctor ordered me to have weight bearing x-rays taken (which was a quite a surprise since he initially told me it would be 10-12 weeks before any weight bearing activities). Things look good so far and the doctor said I was progressing well. The best part is that he said I could begin weight bearing activities in three weeks, which is half the time I expected (it will be nine weeks total).

My doctor went on to explain the extremely rare tallar head fracture I had and said many sports medicine doctors won't touch such injuries. However, he did state that my injury was much better than breaking the neck or body and he didn't expect AVN to occur in the broken off piece, but wouldn't rule out the possibility.

I've now been back to work for three weeks using a knee scooter which has been a life saver. Luckily, I'm a teacher and in another two weeks I'll have the summer off to complete physical therapy. My ankle still swells during the day when I'm at work, but I've noticed increasingly that it takes less and less time for it to go down once I have it elevated. I'm beginning to do rubber band exercises at home and am very interested in setting an appointment for accupuncture (as per Katie's recommendation)

Overall I'm in a pretty good spirits and hope the recovery continues to go well. Good luck to everyone else in their recoveries and please keep us updated!

-Derek

Jun 10, 2012
(Another) broken Talus! NEW
by: Bree

Hi Everyone!

I'm 23 female from Australia and I suffered a bad talus fracture from a soccer incident. I was undiagnosed for 3 weeks (due to dodgy drs!) but it was found that I had a chip out of the top of my talus. I had surgery the day after and the chip was pinned back into place. I was unable to weight bare for 9 weeks, then only partially for a further 4 weeks. I can now walk (with a fair limp and pain) and have a fairly good range of movement considering. I have been told all along my journey that my surgery only has a 50% chance of working because the blood may not return to the chipped bone and surrounding cartilage (which a fair bit if was also broken off).

I was wondering if any of you have had the blood returned or not, and anyone with similar experiences. I have a CT scan in a week to determine if the surgery has worked (if it hasn't they will take the bone fragment out and drill into my talus to try and promote scar tissue to fill the hole). My last x-rays showed that the fragment/chip that was pinned back on was displaced, had anyone had this happened either?

My injury occurred in febuary '12 and now being june, I am well over it! I havent been able to return to work yet and although I am and have been quite optimistic about my injury, I am looking at it rationally, and thinking that maybe my chances aren't so great...?

Thanks in advance! And good luck to everyone!

Bree

Jun 07, 2012
To Katie NEW
by: Cking

Katie,

I must say you are truly an inspiration. You are already so far beyond others regarding the healing process from your injury, simply by the fact of how positive you are.

I want to thank you for sharing your story and your knowledge regarding the supplements and other techniques, such as the acupuncture. You are so on track for the healthiest of healing and it is wonderful that you are indeed being aware of your body and what works for you! Knowledge is indeed power…power for healing!

Please continue to share your journey with us. I wish you well and continued positive moments. It is a long road. So, remain positive…it really can make all the difference! Best wishes for you and the other readers on this blog. It’s a good place to share and to learn.
Thank you,

Cathy King

P.S. Instead of using a rolling pin for the bottom of your foot, try using a frozen bottle of water. This achieves the same result, yet feels so cool at the same time! I loved it and I really tried to stretch my foot over the entire roll of the bottle, back and forth. :o) It feels really good and you’ll want to do it all the time.

Jun 06, 2012
healing NEW
by: Katie

Yesterday my surgeon was happy with my range of motion in the ankle. I have a fair amount of up and down, and a little side to side. I'm working on gently expanding the range of motion at home, and I'll start physio next week. I'm also massaging and rolling the bottom of my foot on the floor and on a foot massager with rollers, as I have also heard this is good for circulation. I'm also doing some modified yoga at home, and exercises in my legs to keep them both strengthened and to try to keep the rest of my body strong, balanced and healthy. This injury is also hard on the rest of the body since we have to be off our ankle for so long.
The supplements I'm taking seem to be working too, judging by the x-rays and speed of the healing. I'm taking a combination of Strong Bones by New Roots which I've heard is a very good one, and a liquid called NutriBone, mostly for the collagen. I'm trying to get as much nutrition through my diet as I can, and supplementing some extra vitamin C, D, and zinc. I'm also taking a glucosamine and chondroitin combo. I try to get some sun every day for the natural vitamin D, which a naturopathic doctor told me was very important for bone healing.
I still can't put weight on it for at least another month and a half, but I can put a little pressure on it now, which my acupuncturist told me is also good for circulation. I still have a long way to go, but I do feel like I'm healing faster than expected, especially considering the severity of my fracture. Although we all have different talus injuries and severity, I believe that there is so much we can do to heal ourselves if we do the research, put in the effort and remain optimistic. I wish everyone all the best, particularly Clark in your upcoming surgery.
Katie

Jun 06, 2012
healing NEW
by: Katie

Hi everyone, thanks for all your encouragement and updates. I just had a doctor appointment yesterday, my second since the surgery in April. At my first appointment 3 weeks ago, the surgeon said my x-rays looked "shockingly good" and took me out of the cast. Great news! I still had a pin sticking out of the right side of my (left) ankle to stabilize it, but I had it removed a week and a half ago because it started to get infected. And as soon as it was removed, the infection cleared up.
Since my foot has been out of the cast I have been able to bring the swelling down almost to the point where it is no longer noticeable. I have been using homeopathic remedies including comfrey (good for fractures) and arnica, both orally and topically in creams. But what has accelerated the healing of the soft tissues the most has been acupuncture. After each treatment, there is a dramatic reduction in the swelling, which is especially noticeable waking up the morning after the treatment. I highly recommend acupuncture to anyone who is recovering from a foot injury. I started it to improve the circulation and it is doing that and so much more.
Thanks Clark for the knee walker suggestion! I actually am borrowing one and it is amazing! So much faster and easier than crutches! I would highly recommend this as well. Just be a little careful on curbs and uneven ground as they do not have much clearance....

Jun 04, 2012
talus update NEW
by: Clark

Hi everyone. I haven't posted in a while. Just wanted to update everyone on my talus fracture from April 2011. I am having an ankle fusion the week after the 4th of July. My doctor thinks this is my best option to walk without so much pain and swelling. My injury was severe like Katie's who posts on here. I hope the surgery gives me some part of my active life back. The surgeon hopes to turn my foot back down to a position I can walk in. Right now I walk on the side of my foot and it is causing a bone spur to develop on the side of my foot.

Katie,

During my recovery and non weight bearing I will be renting a knee walker like I did during my first recovery. It is a life saver compared to cruthes. You can rent one for about 40 bucks a month. I had never heard of one of these and another person with an ankle injury recommended it to me. You can rent them from a home health medical supply store. You put your knee on it and push around with your good foot. It really helped me out at work and at home.

I hope you all continue to heal and recover.


Clark

May 14, 2012
TO 20 Plus years! NEW
by: cking

I am very interested in your information. The doctors told me low impact too. No running unless my life depended on it. Please tell us what your doctor exam reveals. I will be interested in hearing how 20+ years is treating you. I have arthritis already...wonder if that is why your joint is sore and what they would recommend for your pain.

Thank you,
Cathy

May 13, 2012
Update NEW
by: Derek

Hi Everyone,

I had my first follow up on May 10th, two weeks after breaking my talus and dislocating my ankle. I was extremely nervous to find out exactly what I had done and how long the recovery would be. Since I have been home from work for almost three weeks, I've had a lot of time to freak out over the worst case scenarios and over analyze my own injury.

The doctor basically stated I have a life changing injury (I think any broken ankle would be) but would probably be close to normal if everything goes smoothly. He said that I had a tallar head fracture which I was extremely happy about (they are extremely rare but it does not interfere with the blood flow to the entire talus bone). He did say that I would still have a 30-40% of developing AVN in the piece of bone that was completely broken off, however it could have been far worse and I'm thankful for that.

The doctor put me in an air cast and I will still be non-weight bearing for another 2 to 2 1/2 months and then he'll start putting me in PT. He did clear me (although reluctantly) to drive and go back to work on Monday. I'm both anxious and excited to see my students and be out of the apartment.

Anyways, I'll have another follow up in four weeks to see how the bone growth is going and let you all know about my progress. Take care.

May 06, 2012
Update plus note to anonymous NEW
by: Sandra

Hello to all,
I am progressing well. I am finished with P.T. but continue the exercises at home. This helps with the stiffness. I still can't do stairs too well, but that is okay -- I make it up and down with caution and I am so glad to be able to move about my home. Also, to be able to help with the care of my elderly parents now is a blessing. There is still swelling and the leg that was once purple is now just pinkish. I was fortunate to have a more simple break (although no talus break is simple) and I did not require surgery, so I think things are coming along well. I think so often of all of you -- so many of whom have had greater challenges. You are all brave and have wonderful spirits. I remember all in prayer. I wish there was more I could do for each and every one of you.
And, Anonymous (I think this might be Chris?), I just read your note. I am so glad that the heel pain is better but sorry for the new pain location. I hope it will subside soon and that nothing will come along to take its place! It feels hopeful that one thing has improved and so we keep hope that this next one will as well. You, and so many others, have come so far. I know it's been rough and I have hope and faith that as time goes on, -- you will see much more improvement and that days will be easier. Again, thanks to all for helping me along the way. I'll be watching your updates and sending best wishes for all. God bless.
Sandra : ) I

May 06, 2012
broken talus NEW
by: Anonymous

Hi everyone and welcome Katie and Derek.Well i have not made much improvement in the last month. Heel pain has got a bit better but now have a new pain on the outside of my sole of my foot.this injury is so crazy you get rid of one pain then something else replaces it LOL. I am only using my cane in the morning when i get out off bed and in the evening when i sit watching TV and get up to go to bed ankle seems to stiffen up then.I am still walking with a limp but in the morning i seem to walk with less limp than later in the day.I wish everyone a good recovery hope your doing good Sandra.you are all in my prayers xxxx

May 05, 2012
Old injury pain NEW
by: 20+ years later

I broke my talus over 20 years ago (I was 18) and now I do low impact sports, so that I do not aggravate the injury. Sometimes I over do it and the ankle aches but I can still function. In the last week I have had pain that is not going away. I am using crutches to give the leg a rest, but it has been 5 days now and the pain is not getting better or worse. Just wondering if it is arthritis, or something else? Any other talus injury veterans out there with a comment? I'll give the doctor a call on Monday if there is no improvement.

May 03, 2012
thanks! NEW
by: Anonymous

Hi Cathy and Sandra,

Thanks for the thoughtful and encouraging responses. I am feeling better every day now. I'm totally off the painkillers and feeling more like myself. My ankle feels much better, although I realize, of course, that there is a long road to recovery ahead.

I have spoken to 2 surgeons who basically gave me the same prognosis from looking at the initial x-rays. But the surgery went well, and I've also been told that youth and health are on my side. I realize also that they have to fully inform people of the seriousness of their injuries so that patients don't have any false illusions of an easy recovery, and so that they take their recovery seriously.

I'm just trying to take this one day at a time. Taking all the important supplements, wiggling my toes, and figuring out ways to stay active for now, minus one foot. I'm lucky to have wonderful family and friend support. Also, I've been able to take time off and will be able to continue working at home for the most part in the coming months. It feels like minimizing stress during the recovery process will be very important.

I'll post another update after my appointment on the 15th. Best wishes to everyone.

Katie

May 02, 2012
Best wishes for Katie and Derek NEW
by: Sandra

Hello to all and very best wishes to Katie and Derek. You have come across a wonderful site for gaining information and encouragement, and I hope it will be very helpful for you. I'm sorry to hear of your injuries. My injury was not nearly as serious as yours, but due to my age and some other structural issues, it has been a difficult journey. But progress comes in bits and spurts and with time. I will follow your progress and keep you in thought and prayer for good outcomes. Take good care of yourselves and be gentle with yourselves; it is easy to get discouraged but hang on to hope that things can improve.Best wishes and God bless. --- Sandra :)

May 02, 2012
More Broken Ankles... NEW
by: cking

More broken ankles? Whew! I feel for you, Katie & Derek. I hope you find encouragement through this page.

Katie: Your ankle injury sounds so very serious and more complicated than the break I had. I wish you well and I pray you have a healthy recovery. 90% seems like high odds to develop AVN. Keep taking your bone supplements. Anything you can do now to help your bone heal healthy is a plus. Continue to research your particular break and healing goals. Remember this is YOUR body and YOUR ankle. If you don't like what your doctors are saying...it never hurts to get a 2nd or 3rd opinion. YOUR health and use of YOUR ankle is most important!

Derek: I can totally relate to you. This is a very serious injury. I had 1 pin and 3 screws placed in my ankle. No weight for 12 weeks(3 mos) MEANS: No weight for 3 mos. You need this time for your ankle to heal and hopefully to restore the blood flow to your broken bone. X-rays will confirm the return of blood to your ankle. I had x-rays @ once a month. 12 days after my surgery I remember being placed into a 90 degree boot. Very painful, but necessary they said if I didn't want to end up walking on my tip-toe the rest of my life. I first used a walker, then 2 crutches, then 1 crutch, then a cane, then I limped wearing a good ankle support boot. Now, I hardly limp, but still have issues from time to time. Although nothing major.

This injury will cause a change in our lives. There will be some things we may no longer be able to do. But don't limit yourself if yo can. Myself, I was told I could not run anymore (unless my life was depending on it). Over the years any activities I have been able to do comes with a level to attain, then my ankle tells me no more - rest.

Please keep us posted on your progress. We will continue to encourage you during this process. It is a serious injury and it does take time to heal. We all heal differently. Some faster than others. Best wishes. Cathy

May 02, 2012
Broken Talus NEW
by: Derek

Hello all,

I'm thrilled to have found this message board so people can share their successes and frustrations about their recoveries.

Last week, on Tuesday, I broke my left Talus bone and dislocated by foot (not sure what type) trying to slide into 3rd base during a softball game.

Never having broken a bone in my life, I'm a bit scared on what is in store in terms of my recovery. I had surgery (last Wednesday) on my ankle and 3 pins were inserted to stabilize the bone. The doctor said everything looked pretty good after the surgery was complete but stressed that this was a very serious ankle injury and that I needed time to heal. He also mentioned the prospect of developing AVN (which up to this point is the scariest thing I've read about) and that I must have no weight bearing activities for 10-12 weeks. Currently my ankle is in a splint and I have a follow up meeting on May 10th to hopefully put on a cast that I can take on and off.

While I try to be an optimistic person, I tend to be a realist and understand there may not be things I'll ever be able to do again. I had just taken up running to lose weight (was down 50 lbs before injury) and was looking forward to running a few 5ks this summer. It sounds like most people still have trouble even jogging despite their long term recovery efforts. I'm also anxious to see if I'll ever be able to play softball again.

Lastly, I wanted to see how everyone's job was affected by their injury. I'm a teacher and the doctor has ordered me to take off work at least until our next consultation. Do you think there is anyway I can work during the rest of the school year if I can't bear any weight. I'm pretty sure I could adapt my teaching style so I could have my leg raised for part of the day.

Thanks for reading and I'm looking forward to being a part of the community.

Apr 30, 2012
continued NEW
by: Katie


I'm trying to do whatever I can to maximize the healing and circulation. It's immobilized in a cast of course, but I can wiggle my toes and since the swelling has gone down the cast is not as tight and I can even move my ankle a bit up and down without pain (although trying not to do that since I realize it's supposed to be immobilized). For painkillers I am down to just one ibuprofen before bed and today is the best day yet. I'm not even icing anymore (it's not very painful now and I imagine the icing just reduces circulation). But still elevating quite a bit so that it doesn't throb. I'm taking a multivitamin bone supplement before every meal, along with increased vitamin c, zinc, and homeopathic arnica and comfrey. Any other suggestions? Once the cast is off (1 month, I'm told) then I can apply arnica ointment and start acupuncture. I've heard acupuncture is great for improving circulation- has anyone tried it for their ankle?

My fracture is quite severe but I'm hoping I can prevent as much AVN as possible. I was also reading they can drill holes in the talus to improve blood flow (once the fracture is healed, of course)- has anyone heard of/tried this?

My next appointment is May 15th- hoping for good news about the fracture and to ask my surgeon a few more questions.

Thank you all for your stories- I look forward to hearing updates and will keep in touch as well with my own progress.

All the best,
Katie

Apr 30, 2012
Thank you!! NEW
by: Katie

Hi everyone,

Thank you so much for your stories and advice. What a great use for the internet- connecting those of us that have experienced rare/severe talus/ankle breaks in various ways and to varying degrees, for information and moral support!

My name is Katie, and I broke my left talus 2 weeks ago when I fell just 10 feet off an indoor climbing wall, my momentum swinging me out just far enough that my left foot missed the mat. I broke the talus into 2 pieces, with some of bone shattered and the main piece under the tibia and fibula was twisted around about 90 degrees. My ankle was also dislocated. The first surgeon who looked at the x-rays told me I have a 90% chance of developing AVN. An ankle surgeon was not available that night, but one saw me the next day at which point he decided to wait a couple days for the swelling to go down. He told me that less swelling would make the surgery and recovery easier, and would not significantly further decrease my chances of the blood supply reconnecting. The surgery went well at least, I have a plate and 5 screws and I don't think they had to put in a bone graft like they were thinking of doing. I have been home for over a week now and have a lot less pain and swelling and more energy. I'm getting around on a walker inside and crutches outside and am thinking of getting a wheelchair so I can wheel myself around outside during the 3 months (or more) I have to stay off my left foot completely. Does anyone have any experience with a wheelchair vs. crutches outdoors?

I have been researching talus fractures and it is easy to become depressed because of the severity and complications, so I am so glad to see there are also success stories and incremental improvements, along with encouragement and support. I am just coming to terms with the seriousness of my injury and it has been difficult to accept. I am very active in life and work and it's scary to hear all of a sudden that my talus bone might die, I will have trouble walking on uneven ground from now on, etc. But reading about a range of experiences has been very helpful, especially from you people who are in a similar situation and are choosing to be positive about your improvements and in your lives.

Apr 03, 2012
talus cramps NEW
by: JGN

I had an MRI and it showed that the ligiments in my foot had been damaged by arthritis. My ankle has been getting weaker and weaker, I can only wear NB sneakers , , I am in constant pain,
I went to PT yesterday to make my ankle stronger, she massaged my foot, the Talus, last night I woke up at 3am with severe cramps in both feet at the talus, I couldnt move it was awful, I have
never had cramps there before. It was the worst pain. Today I put an an ankle support, when I tried to remove it, I got another severe cramp in
the Talus. Has anyone ever had this type of cramp, I am terrified of going to sleep.

Apr 03, 2012
talus cramps NEW
by: JGN

I had an MRI and it showed that the ligiments in my foot had been damaged by arthritis. My ankle has been getting weaker and weaker, I can only wear NB sneakers , , I am in constant pain,
I went to PT yesterday to make my ankle stronger, she massaged my foot, the Talus, last night I woke up at 3am with severe cramps in both feet at the talus, I couldnt move it was awful, I have
never had cramps there before. It was the worst pain. Today I put an an ankle support, when I tried to remove it, I got another severe cramp in
the Talus. Has anyone ever had this type of cramp, I am terrified of going to sleep.

Apr 03, 2012
talus cramps NEW
by: JGN

I had an MRI and it showed that the ligiments in my foot had been damaged by arthritis. My ankle has been getting weaker and weaker, I can only wear NB sneakers , , I am in constant pain,
I went to PT yesterday to make my ankle stronger, she massaged my foot, the Talus, last night I woke up at 3am with severe cramps in both feet at the talus, I couldnt move it was awful, I have
never had cramps there before. It was the worst pain. Today I put an an ankle support, when I tried to remove it, I got another severe cramp in
the Talus. Has anyone ever had this type of cramp, I am terrified of going to sleep.

Apr 02, 2012
For Most, But Not For All NEW
by: cking

This sight is wonderful and allows people the opportunity to encourage others with similar injuries.

Each of us has had different, yet similar injuries. Some of us are older and some of us are younger. We all heal at different rates of speed. Some us don't heal as expected and that leads to additional surgical procedures.

Of course, we want everyone to have a good experience and to heal the best that they can. What a blessing if we all could have healed in a few weeks and walked within a few months (less than a year).

To you all: Have a good day and do not be discouraged!

Cathy

Mar 31, 2012
Many Thanks/ Etc, Etc NEW
by: Sandra

A note to all and to a few in specific:
I want to say a heartfelt thank you to so many of you on this site. When I began reading here, I realized that most of you had suffered injuries that were so much worse than mine(my talus was broken but not separated) With my age and pre-existing back problems, it was a rough time for me, but I knew that most of you were fighting much greater battles. I want to thank you for "taking me in" to your group and so kindly sharing tips, experiences and encouragements -- for having compassion for me even though you were dealing with more challenging situations. I will continue to follow your progress and to pray for each of you -- and to be thankful for you! I am doing well. I am walking much better now; the main difficulty is going down stairs and on uneven surfaces. I know that this, too, will improve with time. And as some of you had told me, my strange purple leg is improving day by day as well. The long weeks of immobility have given me a deeper appreciation of the gift of walking and doing for oneself and a greater compassion for all who have limitations.
CHRIS: continued best wishes on your recovery and as you are back at work. I hope the heel pain will lessen. Thank you for the times you took time to encourage me.
CKING: What an inspiration you have been; what a long way you have come. You have helped so many on this site. Thanks for all the times you responded to me. I pray the future brings even more progress for you.
GARY: Thank you for the encouraging comments to me. I'm thankful that there were no signs of avn for you. I pray all goes well after the removal of those screws.
WHIMP: I'm sure we are all glad that your friend has had such a good recovery and I pray likewise for all on this site.
Well, another long message from me, huh? Just wanted to bring you my thanks and my prayers for each of you. Also, HAPPY EASTER/ GOD BLESS.
Prayers and best wishes to all, Sandra : )

Mar 31, 2012
Whimp! NEW
by: RDSB

My Best friends got thrown off a car and he broke his talus clean in half, the doctor cracked it more and put a cast on way too tight, which almost caused him to lose his foot till he got took to a better doctor just in time who saved his foot.
it has been not even a year and he can walk, work and everything, so grow up put your tissues away and get to work thank you :)

Mar 19, 2012
All on track... NEW
by: Cking

Sounds as if you are all on track so far. As Gary says, think back to the day you broke your ankle and it puts the current annoy-ities (is that even a word? It is if you have a broken ankle.) - Anyway, it puts is all back into perspective. :o)
You can see just how far you've come while looking back.

I think it's going on @ 4 years for me and I still have painful days...but I can walk and I haven't had to have a fusion. I have an ankle that has been broken and I had good doctors that did great work, considering the type of break I had. "It could have been worse." I am thankful for the good parts of what I can do. And when that nasty pain rears its ugly head, I slam down some Aleve, use ice (if needed) and stay off it for hours. I know my ankle will never be the same and it bugs me a lot on certain days when I want to accomplish more.

Gary - So glad to hear about the removal of your ankle screws. I wondered if my should come out and if by removing them, would I have more movement? Will be watching for your updates. My surgeon said the pin will never come out, as it broke off during surgery and the screws should be forever too. I haven't had an x-ray for over @ 1 year. There is a place under one of my scars that gets inflamed from time to time and aches. I just rub it and keep my ankle warm. That seems to help me. I would love to get a massage for just my ankle. The PT guy I had was good, but that's been years ago.

Chris & Sandra - The stiffness seems to never go away. It does loosen up and feel better as you begin moving through the day. I still feel it in the am and after I over-do or if I don't use it in a while. Another reason my ankle DR at Andrews Institute told me to keep moving it as much and as often as I could. It sounds as if this is part of the injury. Then...I think back to the day I broke my ankle and I am thankful for my success to this date. Your movement should improve. Your ankle is still healing and it does take a long time to complete. (It's crazy just how long it takes.) My biggest fear was getting cramps in my foot or leg because I just could not move my ankle enough to stretch a cramp out. During PT I met a girl who recommended drinking pickle juice for cramps. I did try it on occasions (at night when my legs tried to relax I'd get cramps - OUCH!!!!) and the drinking pickle juice really worked! Don't know why...but it did. My husband began drinking it too when he'd get muscle cramps too. Just a little FYI for cramps - if you get them!

Good luck to you all. Keep us posted on your personal updates. You words and advice help other people going through this type of injury and healing cycles.

Cathy
(Don't know why my last post hit 2 x. I was having a bit of a problem that day I guess.)

Mar 19, 2012
broken talus NEW
by: chris

hello to everyone thought i would do an update on my recovery.since my return to work last month my walking has got a bit quicker i am also walking to work without using my cane. I did buy a folding cane that i can keep in my bag and can use when i need to.I still limp when i am out but at home i can walk about with a very slight limp.But i am still having a lot of pain in my heel after i have been out walking i also notice that my foot sometimes turns in the way i keep correcting this though.Hi Sandra hope your PT is going good i was the same as you with knee pain and back and hip pain but i am glad to say they did ease through time. My ankle also is very stiff in the morning and if i sit for any length of time but it does loosen up after about 15 mins .I use my exercise bike for 10 mins in the morning and then i do my stretches and my ankle feels really good i can walk pretty normal for about an hour but then it starts to stiffen up again i hope this good feeling will last a bit longer as time goes on.good luck to everyone

Mar 16, 2012
Update and note to Sandra NEW
by: Gary, Northern Ireland

Hi all,
My injury is now approaching 10 months and I was in hospital today for the removal of two screws which were protruding.{Note to Sandra my ankle is very stiff and painful in the morning and after periods of in activity but after a few exercises it soon loosens up, I asked my consultant about this today and he replied that the ankle will still be healing up to 18 months/ 2 years. Your recovery sounds ahead of mine at same stage so you have plenty to feel positive about, I always try to remember how I felt 1 week after my accident just to give me a little perspective, that always cheers me up and makes me realise how far I have come.} Surgery today went very well and I can walk (with a limp} already, the consultant was able to make small incisions through the old scar and used disposable stitches to close up. The consultant told me not to expect miracles and that due to the severity of my injuries my ankle will never be the same ( he always tells me stuff like that, I think he is a distant relative of the grim reaper lol},on the upside he also told me that I may get a little extra movement back and possibly some slight pain reduction, also he had the results of my mri scan which showed no further signs of avn {yippee !!} he then caught himself on again so mentioned the possibility of fusion in the future to relive the pain and/or arthritis, I don't like pain but I hate fusion so I think pain may win before I'll have fusion, I'll update soon to let you all know how I am progressing minus two screws.
Take care all
Gary

Mar 16, 2012
Update NEW
by: Sandra

Hello to all,
I am hoping that all who post on this site are well and making progress day by day.
Below is an update on my progress. There are a few things I wonder about, but I think they are all probably to be expected and a part of the process. If anyone has comments on these, I'd welcome them.
PT has helped a lot. I have been able to get out of the boot I wore for 9 weeks and I am off the walker. :) I use a cane now and continue in PT.
It seemed that in the first 3 weeks of PT I made exceptional progress. Now, I seem to be in a period of a plateau with not much change. I am walking around with the cane and am so glad for this progress; however, the ankle is still so stiff. When I awake in the morning and after I have sat for any length of time, it is so stiff that I can hardly use it. My therapist is pleased with my progress and the range of motion I am regaining; we are working a lot on strengthening now. Have most of you had stiffness after you have not used the ankle for a good while?
Now that they are giving me more difficult strengthening exercises in PT (I'm starting my 5th week), I am having knee and hip pain-- aching and sometimes the knee feels as weak as the ankle. I imagine this is normal as the entire right side was immobile for so long and now exercises are working that area hard. My therapist is trying to strengthen those areas but so far, it seems to make them worse. I just wondered if others had this experience. I have PT three times a week ; on the days I am home, I do a lot of the exercises here. I am beginning to wonder if I should take a day off once in awhile to allow things to rest. I'll ask my therapist next week, but just wanted to see if you had any input on this.
Well, once again, my email is too long. Sorry to take up so much of your time in reading this. Maybe someday my emails will be helpful to somone who reads them. In the meantime, I appreciate any information you might share. Each of you is an encouragement to me as I read of your journeys. Praying the best for you and hope you will enjoy the lovely spring season ahead. God bless. --- Sandra : )

Mar 15, 2012
Injury and Time NEW
by: cking

Just a reminder: When I first injured my ankle, sitting in the hospital bed, after my surgery, the doctor was straight-up about the TIME for my healing saying, "This injury will take a LONG time to heal."

My husband asked, "What? 3 - 4 weeks? A month?"

My Doctor said, "No, more like 3 - 6 months AT LEAST."

This was a serious injury. As you can read from others who are going into the 11 months and years...It DOES take a while to get back to 'normal'.

Have patience and don't give up! You will be surprised at your progress. Remember: there are others in your shoes who understand...no pun intended.

Mar 15, 2012
Injury and Time NEW
by: cking

Just a reminder: When I first injured my ankle, sitting in the hospital bed, after my surgery, the doctor was straight-up about the TIME for my healing saying, "This injury will take a LONG time to heal."

My husband asked, "What? 3 - 4 weeks? A month?"

My Doctor said, "No, more like 3 - 6 months AT LEAST."

This was a serious injury. As you can read from others who are going into the 11 months and years...It DOES take a while to get back to 'normal'.

Have patience and don't give up! You will be surprised at your progress. Remember: there are others in your shoes...no pun intended.

Mar 15, 2012
Talus fracture NEW
by: Pritesh

Hi all,

hw u doing? just an update after long time from my side, its been almost 11months from my accident. nw i am almost ok. i walk complete normally. and i started to walk normally after like 6 and half months from my accident. although still i cant run with speed. i will advice to those who limp a bit to use reebok zig technology shoes. it helps a lot. and best of luck to new injured. keep patience .

Mar 05, 2012
Sandra / Compression Stockings NEW
by: Cking

I also tried to use the compression stocking to help with the swelling and pains. I made an appointment and was fitted. The whole 9 yards. I also did not wear them very often only because they were difficult for me to pull up. Once they were on they worked great!!! It was the initial, trying to pull the tight stocking over the sensitive and tender toes and around the ankle and up to your knee. The pass the toes and around the ankle hurt from the pressure of pulling and manuvering the sock to fit right. It took me a long time to get them on. I finally gave up and thought maybe later when I healed more.

I did wear them again after a while and they did help during the work day. I almost didn't want to take them off because they felt secure and held firm. :o)

That's my FYI on compression socks.

Mar 05, 2012
General Update/ also Note to Chris & CKing NEW
by: Sandra

Hello to all,
This brings a note and good wishes to all and a little note to Chris & CKing as well.

Chris, am glad you have some holiday time to help you get through these weeks of going back to work. I'll be thinking of you with regard to any decisions you have to make about having the screws removed. That's a lot to consider!!Glad for the walk you had, and sorry for the pain. Take care and God bless.

C King (is it Cathy?), thanks again for your recent advise on shoes. I'll be taking my shoes to PT and next Dr. apt. for added input. You are so kind to help so many on this site with your experience. Hoping the best for you day by day. You are a courageous person with a great spirit -- wonderful encouragement to all who read this site.

As for me, making some progress but feels like "one step forward and two or three back"! PT is helpful and I am putting more weight on the foot while I use the walker. But, now that they are challenging me more in PT, sometimes I can barely move the day after. Ankel gets more tired & achy but actually, my whole body just gets exhausted. Maybe some of this is my age (just turned 64) and also my preexisting back problems. My foot and leg still get purple when I am up and now has some yellowish spots within the purple. Sometimes it does not seem to be doing that as badly and othr times, it is as bad as ever and I can just feel the "blood rush" and the big difference between the color of the two legs. I am going to ask about compression stockings at my next Dr. apt.to see if that will help. Has anyone used those? There is another lady at PT with a broken ankel but all she has is a little pinkness of her foot. I know some of you have experienced this but somehow this is what worries me most that it still does this at almost 3 mo. When massaging my foot, it feels like there is a thickness in the tissue or something in the sole of my foot-- at the arch near the heel. I just keep massaging that area. Some days I can move along pretty fast on my walker and really use that foot, -- then after PT work , it seems I am back to just hobbling along so slow with the walker. I know this is all probably part of the ebb and flow of recovery. My spirit is like mercury: some days hopeful and others discouraged (human nature!) I apologize to all of you for how I tend to ramble. Sorry! Just feels good to write to others who understand. If anyone has comments about some of my symptoms/experiences, I love to hear from you. If not, know that I send best wishes and prayers to all who read this. --Sandra : )

Mar 05, 2012
broken talus NEW
by: chris

Hi everyone hope everyones doing good. Well i had weeks holiday last week after returning to work 2 weeks ago.I still get all my holiday that i have not used.I still have 2 weeks to take before the end of the month so thats really good gives my ankle i bit of a rest.Today i went for a walk and my ankle was very painfull on my return thats the worst its been for long time hope it easies up for tomorrow as i return to work.i managed on saturday to walk around the supermarket without my cane that felt good.But still need it outside when i am on hard ground.The last time i was at PT my PT said that sometimes they take the screws out so it will give you more movement he said that he looked at my X-RAYS and he noticed that my screws are large and that could be stopping my ankle moveing up the way.Dont fancy going back into hospital again to have them removed. happy healing to everyone

Feb 29, 2012
Shoes NEW
by: cking

I am not an expert, but can only give you my experience regarding shoes.

I wanted shoes that initially provided support for my ankle and arch. I would wear crocks at home and ankle / hiking ankle boots out in public (they snapped up and allowed the tongue of the boot to open all the way, as I could not point my foot enough at the time). The crocks felt soft to my heel. I also wore open-toed sandles (Merrill brand).

I did finally get into a pair of Rika tennis shoes, but found the ties difficult and the edge near my ankle was uncomfortable due to the swelling. Some people think Rika's are narrow. I did finally get into them and it felt good. I also remember having to loosen the ties on my right ankle to account for the swelling during the day. Remember to allow your foot to breath and room to expand too.

Because we all have different arches and feet, I think you need to be aware of the support and arches any shoe offers. If they are comfortable and don't cause you to walk stiff or on an angle, I think they will be good for you. :o)

P.S. I was concerned about the support and wore my shoes into the next appointment to the ankle doc for approval. A second opinion always helps.

Cathy

Feb 28, 2012
To CKing--another shoe question NEW
by: Sandra

To CKing
Thanks for your reply to me regarding shoe sizes. Having a difference of a size and a half made me wonder. Your information is always so good and its interesting to read of your progress. I'm happy for you for each "step" you've taken in your journey!!
You mentioned to be sure to weare Good Shoes. What I got was athletic/tennis shoes. I always liked New Balance or KSwiss before. When I went to get new shoes, with the size and a half difference, the only ones in stock to make myself a matching pair in two sizes was Sketchers (not their exercise brand; just regular Sketchers)---$55/pr). ( They have a good sturdy sole and I guess they are called mid cut; they give ankle support but do not come completely up over the entire ankele bone. Does this sound okay or should I try to get really high stop shoes --like basketball shoes?
I am so happy to be wearing these. I have some back and hip problems that I had even before this so it is so good for me to have two shoes with matching sole depths, etc. instead of the boot. I feel so much more human walking in these. At this point in time, I can't imagine ever wearing anything else. I will be so happy to walk -- and also so apprehensive -- that I may take a really long time to even try to progress to anything else. You mentioned the fear of re-injury; That's how I feel so I think I will err on the side of much caution. Sorry to ramble on so long. The main thing I hoped to ask you was if you feel this general type of shoe that I selected is okay. Thank you for always offering so much of your experience and knowledge to all of us. Have a nice day. -- Sandra : )

Feb 28, 2012
GARY NEW
by: CKING

Hello Gary!

Good to hear your news...I also remember having to work and trying to keep my ankle up during the day. Usually, that would be at lunch on the breakroom couch and several pillows high. I also remember trying to move and stretch while resting. And yes, it did swell up on me too.

The good news is that even after one year you will (I hope) continue to see improvements...even if they are small. I, as another person wrote, how they noticed through what you may not be able to do one week was a break-through in the following 7-14 days. Small improvements = big steps!

I had pain when walking and over-doing it even after 1 year. It felt like bone on bone sometimes. Eventually, it will ease up. Remember your ankle is still healing on the inside. :o)

I will be anxious to hear whether or not removing the 2 screws will help your motion any more. My surgeon said from the beginning the pin and 3 screws would remain in my ankle forever. And as of today they have not backed-out or moved any either.

Please keep us posted. Maybe the next time you are on the golf course 18 will be your number! I am impressed with your ability to "walk" the entire distance you managed. Keep up the outstanding work. Oh, by the way: Are your golfing buddies giving you any type of golf handicapp? LOL

Feb 28, 2012
Update NEW
by: Gary, Northern Ireland

Hi all,
Just a wee update, it,s now nine months since my accident and things are progressing well, i am due to go into hospital in three weeks to have 2 screws removed from my ankle which they hope might improve the movement a little. I have quite a lot of pain still but if i wear the right boots i can do most things, i have been back at work for 2/3 months now which includes climbing ladders and mostly physical work. If i have a 30 minute break at work the ankle seizes up and i have to do some stretches to get it moving again. Today i played golf for the first time, i managed 15 holes, could have done 18 but it was getting painful so decided not to push it, i walked all the holes as buggys are not allowed on our course during the winter. After the golf i went to the clubhouse for lunch by the time i had eaten my ankle had really seized up but it was worth it. All in all i am very happy with it but i don't know what the future holds regarding the pain as it is never far away. Today was a great day though.
Wish you all well
Gary

Feb 27, 2012
Sandra NEW
by: Cking

Sandra,

This is the question for most women. :o) I used to wear a size 7.5. Unfortunatley, I broke my naturally larger right ankle. I have since been wearing a size 8. A little big for my left foot. But I will not buy 2 pairs od shoes - they are expensive.

I do encourage you to wear GOOD SHOES!!! My first pair had more ankle support. Eventually, I updated to something cute and flat with open toes & good arch support. Then, a fashionable wedge. And recently, purchased my first pair of boots!!! They had more of a wedge heel than a point. This has all been over 3-4 years.

This does take time. You'll begin to see the swelling go down in your ankle. Then you will see what appears to be an ankle. Then, you can see a formed ankle bone! It's wonderful to see the progression!! However, my ankle would still swell and I didn't always trust the stability or strength in my injured ankle. I played it safer for fear of re-injury. That was just me of course. Others write how they progress full-throtle. They must be younger! ha, ha!!

I remember being in my open toed sandles a year after the injury and after my PT months. I practiced walking on different surfaces too. Smooth was great, but built up to uneven grass areas, and chunks of gravel to stones. If you step wrong you'll know it. My ankle doesn't go side-to-side very good - so it's almost like getting thrown off balance because your ankle is so straight. You can't pivot anymore. But you can adapt. That is another reason the up and down movement is so vital to recovery. It can work out and you gain your confidence again.

Take care!


Feb 27, 2012
Shoe size NEW
by: Sandra

Hello to all,
Hope each of you is doing well.
PT is great. Therapist is letting me put a little weight on that foot/ still using walker and he said wear the boot when I am in public where I could get bumped. But at home, I can go in sock feet or wear shoes.
Well, I can't begin to get my injured foot in my shoes. So, I went and got two pair of new shoes: one in my usual size 7 for the good foot, and another pair in size 8 1/2 to have a matching shoe for the injured foot. For some of you who are farther along -- how long till one can hope to wear your previous shoe size; or do we forever have to buy two pair of shoes in different sizes? Is this unusual to have to do this at 11 weeks after injury?
Went to church for first time in 11 weeks and also a little shopping yesterday -- foot and ankle are so tired but was good to go out a bit.
Best wishes to all -- Sandra

Feb 20, 2012
picking up marbles : ) NEW
by: Sandra

Hi to all, This was My first actual day working in PT. Was sunny here so I was thrilled to have the drive there in the sunshine! What an interesting session. I had read about someone else mentioning picking up marbles with their toes. Who knew that could be so hard!! I worked and worked and sort of got one done. Also,scrunching up towels, etc, etc. They did AStim and oh, that cold, cold compression thing. I am just so happy to finally be having therapy that should help me. My main weakness is on the inside side of my foot. I don't have any motion toward that side at all and no strength to push there.That's the side that aches so much and that bone that is prominent there is touchy. I think that is a weak area on my feet because even the good foot aches there from hopping about so much on the walker. I never realized how intricate and amazing the foot/ankel are. One takes so many things for granted. I think of the scripture that says we are "fearfully and wonderfully made." The ability to heal is also placed within us so I look forward to progress and I am learning patience which is not a strength of mine. I pray the wonder of healing for each of you, and for patience and joy in the midst of all things. God bless all, -- Sandra : )

Feb 20, 2012
To Chris! NEW
by: Cking

Hey Chris,

Just had to laugh after reading your comment. I was @ 46-47 when I came off the roof...now closer to 50. Just turned 49 yrs in January. Reading about your age and Sandra's age made me think that even though we are 'older' we must be just as active as our younger counterparts! ha, ha! We are all breaking our ankles. How crazy is that, keeping up with the younger generation too! Have a good day.

Feb 20, 2012
broken talus NEW
by: chris

Hi everyone i returned to work on the 14th Feb after 6 and a half months off. I only work 3 days a week so that is good as i dont know if i could do a 5 day week at the moment as my job involves a lot of standing but my manager got me a very nice stool so i can rest when i want first day was ok but my ankle was very swollen at night and a bit more sore and stiff the next morning. but i made it through my first week.Thanks Sandra for thinking about my return to work.I am glad you have started PT and hopefully it wont be to long to you are able to see to your parents. Just keep being positive and look forward my prayers are with you.
ps Sandra i am more near your age i am 56 so our healing will take a bit longer than the younger generations!!! but we will get there x

Feb 20, 2012
To: Dirtbike Facture... NEW
by: cking

I am amazed that you have healed so quickly and are able to almost get back to some sort of normal. Especially, with plates. WOW!! That is amazing. Having a great surgeon is a wonderful plus in your recovery. My doctors told me to keep moving to keep my ankle loose too. Believe me, I notice when I do not use my ankle ask much...I also notice when I do use my ankle too much!

I am also amazed that you may be able to "RUN" too. My doctors told me not to participate in any high impact activities (running #1), due to the chance of re-injuring my ankle and/or my ankle not being able to support high impact pressures. Boo Hoo for me. Purhaps the plates are reinforcing your ankle support, as I have no plates just 1 Pin and 3 screws. I am glad that your ankle bone itself has recovered from the injury and the blood supply has returned. Major good for you!

Also, I recall you stated your age and being much younger than I was. Perhaps, that too is another reason you have bounced back so quickly. On the side of caution, I would say, "Still remain aware of your ankle and know that this new fixed limb has to last the rest of your life. You don't want to have worse problems down the road in your old age." ha,ha. But seriously, still be careful. I love your zest for life and staying active! Enjoy life while you can!

Keep up the good work and continue to take care of yourself. You are absolutely correct in saying that attitude makes the difference. Stay positive!

As for me, this weekend I was walking around a lot, up and down stairs, here, there, & everywhere as I normally do...still if I 'do' too much my ankle becomes sore. I was limping by Sunday evening. By end of day, I had to rest and keep ankle warm. My ankle is a little sore this am. But okay to get on with my Monday activites and work.

My step-dad asked if there was anything else that could be done for my ankle. He referenced and compared professional athletes whom they say may never play again after injuries...then, you see them playing once again after healing and a lot of PT. I said to him, "I'll bet they are still in pain and must be taking meds." I don't know why they appear to be completely healed and back to normal. Especially after serious injury. They must be hurting, but working through it.

Sometimes, that is what we MUST do: Work through it!!

Feb 18, 2012
To Chris NEW
by: Sandra

Chris,
I had made a mental note that you were returning to work on 2/14. Hope that has g0ne well and not too difficult for you. Continued prayers for you and others on this site.---Sandra

Feb 17, 2012
dirtbike talus fracture update NEW
by: Anonymous

Hi all- I'm the one who broke and displaced my talus dirtbiking on august 28th. My other post is from december 6th. I had 2 plates put in september 8th. SO I started walking with a normal shoe january 1st, a little under 4 months from my surgery. First starting to walk in a shoe gave me a lot of pain for about a month but I pushed through it, taking my dog for a walk every day. I only did about 10 physical therapy sessions and looking back I wish I would have done more just to gain more fine muscle control but for doing it myself I feel I am pretty good. I saw my doctor for a 5 month follow up february 2nd, where he told me my talus is fully healed with blood flow returned to it. I have all motion back up and down, not quite side to side but he said that may be from the plates. All in all I am EXTREMELY happy with how this has turned out. I go on a walk or hike with my dog every day and yesterday I hiked a very steep ridge, an hour just to the top. I am sore today but feel great. In the mornings and throughout the day I do get stiff, and do ankle exercises a few times a day to keep it loosened up. I started riding my road bicycle again at the start of february and I bike about 15 miles a day right now. I am also happy to say that I will be getting back on my dirtbike for the first time at the motocross track, riding full speed, in 2 WEEKS!! That will be 5 months, 3 weeks recovery time. I actually got ok'ed to start riding at 5 months just on trails but we have snow here so I haven't been able to. This is also when I can start running. I believe having a great surgeon, working hard and keeping a positive outlook has made my recovery so sucessful. I wish everyone luck with their talus fractures these are nasty but work hard and you can come back from it!

Feb 16, 2012
Update after PT today NEW
by: Sandra

Had my evaluation at PT today. So glad to finally have a chance to "DO" something to try to help my progress. The therapist said I may / or may not have RSD. He said he has had patients come with that diagnosis who do not actually have it. He cannot say for sure but has a feeling that the symptoms may be from the 9 weeks of immobiliation. At any rate, he has hope that he can help me a lot and eventually get me walking again. I'll do some home exercises until Monday and start bearing some weight; then go to PT 3 times next week. I can't wait! I have elderly parents who depend on me a lot so this is a difficult time in that way too. My dear hubby is caring for me and helping them as well. Hoping that the journey back to more normalcy is getting started now. All of you take care. Thoughts and prayers and admiration to each of you. --Sandra

Feb 16, 2012
To D.Schroeder NEW
by: Sandra

I am happy for you, and encouraged, that your rsd resolved well. I will try the tip regarding the feather/towel. I am just now beginning PT and my dr. hopes this will be very helpful with this, so I'm trying to stay optimistic. I want to thank you for your service in the US military. You are appreciated. It sounds like you have had an outstanding recovery and are a young man with a great spirit. I'll pray that you do not develop the AVN. I am 63 so probably a good bit older than many of you posting here. But I am a "fighter" to get back to normal and I am encouraged by so many of the brave people who post here. I have long been the leader of a "homebound" ministry through my church where we reach out by calls, cards, and visits to the ill and homebound. I've been on the receiving end of this now and I have a deeper appreciation of what this means to others.We all need to lift one another up. I will continue to pray for you and for others on this site. Blessings to all,Sandra

Feb 15, 2012
rsd NEW
by: D.Schroeder

with your rsd try finding a feather or the corner of a towel and lightly rubbing the affected area. my foot was purple at first and i have rsd. between doing that and elvating and icing i have no more issues with the rsd. im not taking any meds for it or nothing. try that and see how it works.

Feb 15, 2012
rsd NEW
by: D.Schroeder

with your rsd try finding a feather or the corner of a towel and lightly rubbing the affected area. my foot was purple at first and i have rsd. between doing that and elvating and icing i have no more issues with the rsd. im not taking any meds for it or nothing. try that and see how it works.

Feb 15, 2012
Second Opinion Today NEW
by: Sandra

Hello to all,
I got a second opinion today from a new orthopedist. The previous one never answered my questions about blood flow, etc. Today's appointment was much more informative and my questions were answered. Blood flow is good. The doctor thinks that the extreme swelling I am having and the leg discoloration is more a result of my having developed RSD. He has scheduled me to start PT and feels I can hope for this to help me and if not, he said there are nerve blocks that can be tried. I can begin light weight bearing now. After 9 weeks, it is so nice to have a doctor who answers my questions. So, I feel hopeful and eager to start PT although I know it will take time and patience. I want to thank CKing and Chris who have been so kind and helpful to reply to many of my questions. I also want to wish each one who posts on this site the very best. May time, your physicians, the wonder of the human body, and God bring healing to each of you. I'll be reading your posts and I'll do updates on myself from time to time. God bless.

Feb 15, 2012
MILITARY FIREFIGHTER NEW
by: D.SCHROEDER

. My doctor said he has never seen a recovery go as well in this short amount of time and is really happy considering how bad my injury was. I have been doing physical therapy 2 to 3 times a week since the accident happened. I gained 35 % of motion in my first week up and down. I have limited motion inward. My good ankle and bad are almost equivalent in motion up and down now. This is also making people wonder how that is happening so fast. I work hard at moving my ankle around as much as possible and stretching often. My RSD is resolving on its own with no meds and like I said now I have no pain!!!I take allot of vitamins, some are fish oil, vitamin c, mega green complex. My wound healed almost 2 weeks after it formed, also doctors are impressed with. I feel as if my ankle is good but know better than that. Staying patient and praying has helped me with this allot. I find my health through worship, eating healthy/ taking vitamins, staying positive, and giving it 110 %. I’m hoping I do not develop AVN. I have upward of 85% chance of developing this. I know my activity and career are on the line but whatever happens I know I’ll still have air in my lungs and a beat in my heart. If anyone has any questions for me go ahead and fire away. I’m a strong willed young man and even though it doesn’t suit me I will take my time with this injury and hope to have more success. Also I do a lot of core exercises and pushups. Leg lifts, scissor kicks, planks. U can still do a lot of good working out even though you can’t bare any weight on one foot. Cooking and house hold things are a chore but with every challenge I’m overcoming through patients and prayer. Ill pray for everyone on this page and hope everyone heals great and can go on with their lives as normal as possible. I love you guys and I love this country. Phill. 4-13,” I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.” GOOD LUCK PART2

Feb 15, 2012
Military Firefighter- Hawkins type 3 NEW
by: D.Schroeder


Hi everyone,
I’m going to start with the fact that I’m a very active 23 year old male. I love surfing, riding motocross, hunting, rock climbing, riding my Harley, running, swimming, working out, and most of all I’m in love with my job as a firefighter emt for the united states air force. I fractured and dislocated my talus bone severely while riding motocross, (something I’ve been doing since the age of 5) on DEC 4, 2011. I didn’t really notice the seriousness of my injury until my first appointment after surgery. My doctor says it was the hardest operation he’s ever had to perform. I have 5 screws in my ankle and had a pressure blister on the inside of my ankle which is requiring wound therapy. I also have RSD which is causing some pain. This disorder causes hyper-sensitivity. Due to the pressure wound I had my cast taken off and have been going the whole time without a cast the whole time. I was issued a air cast but was told I don’t need to use it unless I’m going somewhere I might fall. I have 4 weeks till I can start applying pressure but my bones healed in 6.5 weeks. Doctor says he can’t believe how fast I’m healing but just wants to give everything else some time to catch up.
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Feb 13, 2012
Thanks Chris! NEW
by: cking

Chris, thank you for your encouragement to Sandra. It does indeed help to hear others tell their story and to know that what a person is experiencing in normal.

I cannot imagine being out of work for 6+months. I certainly could not afford that and remember working 1/2 days, covering for lunches. Eventually, I did run out of annual paid leave. I also remember driving to work with my leg propped-up on the center console with 2 pillows...yes, I drove to work on the back roads to avoid heavy traffic using my left foot. thanks goodness my husband's truck had adjustable gas/break pedals. Funny now, not so funny then.

I also remember the weight of just a blanket on my ankle or foot caused some pain. I finally began sleeping without a cover on my right ankle and using a pillow to prop up my leg and ankle to off-set the pressure I felt from any angle. I recall not being comfortable keeping my ankle flat on the side. The pillow helped to relieve the feeling. I still use a pillow to date at night. It will also help with your alignment of your hip and lower back.

Chris, I too used a cane out in public for a while. I still had a limp during that time too. Keep doing the exercises. They really help! Still today I try to stretch and pull and stand using my toes. Things that were difficult to do during PT. I also remember the PT people asking me to pick up marbles with my toes...all for a purpose. Never thought THAT would be so difficult. I eventually picked them all up and moved forward with a new test of strength. Keep up the good work!!

Feb 12, 2012
broken talus NEW
by: chris

hi everyone well i am going to be returning to work on tuesday the 14th after being off for 6 and half months!! i am still using a walking stick my walking is still very slow. But i dont use it at home only when i am out. i finished PT last wednesday but was told i can go back if i am struggling at work. I live in Scotland in the UK
so things might be a bit different here to the USA.
I have some pain when walking but it is in the sole of my foot but its not that bad .i am still doing my exercices and stretches. But i dont know how its going to feel being back at work and wearing a shoe all day . My GP gave me my last sick note on thursday but did put on it that i have to do light dutys for a month.so i will update you next week on how my ankle has stood up to returning to work lol!!! ps to sandra hope you get to see another doc but dont worry i was looking back through i diary that i kept when recovering and i had written how worried i was about the colour of my leg so i know how you feel

Feb 09, 2012
Blood FLow NEW
by: Cking

My doctor was very concerned about the blood flow/restoration to my talus. My ankle was dislocated and broken at the same time and the injury DID cut the blood flow from the bone for several hours.

Initially, I had no weight bearing for 3 months after surgery. Each month I had x-rays. each month my doctor looked for signs of blood to the bone. X-rays show shades of dark and white. Ask your doctor to show you the areas. Also, when you are not using your leg for so long your muscle shrink and get smaller. My right leg was so small. My left leg muscle only became larger, as is was now holding all my body weight.

Blood Flow? Yes, the doctor can begin seeing signs of returned blood to the joint. It does show up on the x-ray. My x-rays confirmed this slowly after @ 4 months if I remember correctly. Also, once you begin placing weight on your foot, leg that helps your body heal and the blood flow to the bone. Things start getting back to normal...but it is still a very long process (for me it was).

Younger people tend to heal faster. When I broke my ankle I was @47. There are times when the damage is too serious/extreme and the blood flow does not support the joint. Then, the bone actually dies and can crumble. Some people need further surgeries. In fact, my doctor said from the beginning that my injury could require another surgery. Thank God I did not require more surgeries!

I agree with you about a 2nd opinion. It sounds as if you are not getting the answers you need from your first doctor. Plus, it never hurts to get a second opinion. It's your body.

One other thing: In my case, I started therapy after the 3 months of no weight bearing and yes, they pulled and bent and stretched it. I was first placed in a 90 degree boot 12 days after surgery. That was painful. But the certified air-boot person said if I did not get into a 90 degree boot I would end up walking on my tip-toes because my ankle would not heal right. They were more concerned about restoring the up and down motion needed for walking purposes more than the left-right movement. As of today, I still cannot do circles or run.

If anyone else has information on their healing, please share it with Sandra. This is only my personal experience. I know everyone heals differently and each break can be different too. I do believe the more information you can get the better informed you will be and the better you can handle this situation. Thanks.

Feb 09, 2012
To CKing - Thanks & New Plan NEW
by: Sandra

CKing,
Again, Thanks for your time and reassurance.
I think the problem for me is that at each visit to my orthopedist he says that things are not normal and yet he has no explanations. He said the purple color of my leg to the knee was not normal(which I now know many of you had) and he says my swelling at 8 weeks is not normal. I'll be going along feeling hopeful and then a visit to him brings on lots of uncertainty. Maybe he doesn't see many talus injuries.
Anyway, my husband and I have decided to get an apt. with another orthopedist as soon as possible. Hopefully, he can tell us more. I cancelled today's P.T. in case the new orthopedist would have other plans for me to follow. I am doing some gentle toe waving and gentle up and down only ankel movements as they told me I could do this. Also said I could do slight weight bearing but I will not do that until a new orthopedist also agrees with this.
Thanks for being patient with my postings and my fears. I think I can be patient and a "trooper" in this process if I can find a doctor who either encourages me if he feels this is normal, or - if there is a problem, help us get to the cause of it.I just need to have better information. I'll let you know what developes from all of this. Thanks again . I appreciate it so much! P.S -- is there a way they can tell me if the talus is getting blood flow? Do x-rays show this? I ask this and he just says my ultrasound of the veins was okay.

Feb 09, 2012
To Sandra NEW
by: cking

Yes, I had swelling for a very long time. Swelling after PT, swelling if I placed my foot downward, swelling when I started placing weight on it, swelling...swelling...swelling. Even after icing it there was swelling.

I remember thinking I would ALWAYS have a fat ankle...cankle. LOL. I also remember the day when I could actually see what may be my ankle bone, still a little swollen, but it was there. Eventually, you will see your ankle again. The swelling is normal, even after 8 weeks.

You have to remember that there was an injury and your body is still trying to heal and mend on the inside. It takes time!

Continue to speak to your doctor and keep an eye on it. PT may help to push some of the fluids around after working and moving your ankle. You are still in the beginning stages, it will take time, and it should get better.

Feb 08, 2012
Swelling NEW
by: Sandra

Hello all, Can anyone give me their experience with this. It's been 8 weeks since lateral talus fracture with no separtion. I've been wearing the air cast. The swelling is worse now than it was at the first -- worse in the last 3 weeks. I've had ultrasound and there are no clots and there is a good pulse at the ankle. So, they say circulation is okay. But the orthopedist says the amount of swelling I have has been more than what is normal all along. He doesn't seem to know why and is going to let me start PT tomorrow. I ice and elevate but it doesn't help any. The swelling is there all the time. I am getting scared that they are overlooking something. Can anyone tell me if they had swelling as far as 8 weeks out. Thanks so much.

Feb 07, 2012
Leg Muscle NEW
by: Kimberly

I just got the ok to start PT and my right leg will not straighten out sufficiently. Needless to say it is quite depressing. I broke the talus 13 weeks ago and until last week was non weight bearing on the injured leg. Is this normal? The therapist wasn't too concerned saying it is fixable but right now it feels like the end of the world.Does anyone have any suggestions as to how to make my leg straighten out quickly? Hoping you all are recovering quickly and thanks so much for this site.

Feb 07, 2012
Continuing my story NEW
by: Sandra

Hello to all,
I am new to this site and new to this injury so forgive me if I am posting too often and too detailed. Thanks for the responses I have received. As I mentioned, I have a lateral talus fracture from simply missing a step and twisting my ankel on Dec 15. It's been 8 weeks and orthopedist says my foot and ankel are swollen more than he is used to seeing. But, xrays look like all is in place and no seperation and I will start P.T. on Thursday. I haven't moved it any for 8 weeks and just him pushing on it some today in the office worsend the pain this eve so I am apprehensive of PT but also glad I can start it. He said to keep using the boot when I am up, -- or I can wear the little boot that laces up and has velcro and buy hiking boots and put the lace up boot down inside that. I can't quite figure that one out: I think I would need a size 6 boot for my good foot and a huge boot to accomodate my swollen foot plus the velcro boot. Just doesn't make sense to me and I am not sure what I can try other than just the continued use of aircast. I have never owned a pair of hiking boots and not sure what he has in mind. If anyone has advise, I'd love to hear it. Also, did anyone have constant swelling at 8 weeks. It doesn't matter if I elevate it, it is just swollen all the time although gets worse when I'm up. Please excuse my long email. Thanks for reading it and I admire each of you and your courage. I will pray for each of you. Take care and best wishes, Sandra

Feb 07, 2012
To Chris NEW
by: Sandra

Hello Chris,
Thank you so much for taking time to write and reassure me about the dark color of my foot and leg to the knee. That has been really scarey to me and my orthopedic doctor had no answers for me although he did send me for an ultrasound to rule out blood clots. It is a relief to know that others have experienced this. When the leg and foot get that dark, do you think it is dangerous to go ahead and stay up? Can letting it stay purple too long before you elevate it cause any damamage? I have gone back and read your story and I admire your strength and how far you have come. My injury did not require surgery; it's been eight weeks and I will start P.T. on Thursday. I am a bit apprehensive but hope I can do well with it and begin to little by little by little make some progress.The orthopedist says my ankle and foot is swollen lots more than he usually sees. That worries me, but perhaps that is just my own unique way of healing. Thanks again for your time and reassurance. I pray the best for you.
God bless, ---- Sandra : )

Feb 07, 2012
broken talus NEW
by: chris

hi Sandra i to had the same as you with my leg turning red and even purple but as C King says it all part of the healing process i am now at five and a half months since my op and i still have a very slight pink tinge when i get up in the morning.you will go through different stages as you heal.I also have that rounded bottom of my foot.last week when i was out walking i noticed that my back started to ache but this week its a lot better i think when you go through the healing process you have all kinds of different pains and feelings.Good luck and god bless you

Feb 06, 2012
To: CKing NEW
by: Sandra

To: CKing
From: Sandra
Thank you so much for your prompt reply. I feel so much better!! It is so good to know that this leg coloration is a part of the injury that is to be expected. Thanks also for mentioning the roundness of the bottom of the foot. I have been noticing that about my foot in the past two weeks. I was wondering: as long as the foot and leg get dark when hanging down, -- is it dangerous to go ahead and stay up awhile - will it deprive too much flow and damage tissue? I only stay up a few minutes and then get back down because I fear causing damage. I would like to "hop" around more on my walker if I was not afraid of that.
I went back and read your story. You have come such a long way and with an injury so much worse than mine. You are an inspiration. Thank you for sharing your experience and knowledge with all of us. Do you think that since my talus fracture is not as severe & no separation, that there is a chance for better circulation to it than the chances you overheard your doctor mention? I'll keep reading and will post again later. Thanks again. God bless.

Feb 06, 2012
Sandra NEW
by: cking

Welcome Sandra!

I hear your story and it's normal. I too was concerned about the coloring in my leg from foot to knee. It almost seemed to turn a purpleish color. I also asked my doctor about this and she assured me it was normal. Weird looking at both feet and legs: One is normal and the other is really red. I would notice it a lot when I stood up in the shower or when I wore open toed sandels. I was concerned about circulation too and my doctor assured me again that it was normal due to the trauma that occurred. Everything is trying to work again, trying to get back in place.

After be checked for possible circulation problems and after moving around more over time the coloring does return to normal. At least it did for me. It's another part of the healing stages. :o) And BELIEVE me...There are plenty of stages to go through.

I do still seem to be concerned about how my right ankle always seems to be so cold. I wear 2 socks at night and have a small floor heater under my desk at work. However, since I know my circulation is good and that I do not have any blood clots I just chalk-it-up to the injury. I know my ankle, leg, and hip won't be the same. I am sure other people with our same ankle injury can tell you about walking and knees and hips too. It's all joined together and can affect your back too. Eventually, it seems to level out...at least as best as it possibly can.

Good news now, my foot and leg match the other one. LOL Oh yeah, I almost forgot. You may also notice that after not being on your foot and due to the swelling...when you DO begin to stand on your healing ankle again, the bottom of your foot may seem to be a bit rounder than usual. That too is normal. Sort of like a new baby's foot. Have you ever noticed that before they begin to walk the bottoms of their feet are round too? Your foot will eventually flatten out again after you start placing weight on it.

Take Care! Keep posting if you want.

Feb 06, 2012
Fractured Talus NEW
by: Sandra

Hello to all,
I send prayers and best wishes to each of you. I am hoping to find some input to some symptoms that I have related to a lateral fracture of the talus with no seperation. The fracture occured 8 weeks ago from missing a step and twisting the ankel. It was misdiagnosed as a sprain for 2 weeks. The last 6 weeks, I have been in a moonboot air cast and no weight bearing. The pain has not been too bad. There is always some swelling regardless of whether it is elevated or not. However, HERE IS THE SYMPTOM THAT PUZZLES AND WORRIES ME: I use a walker. When I get up to use the walker, after I am up for as little as 30 seconds, my foot and the leg all the way up to the knee get very red. The foot feels lots of pressure and gets extremely dark. The leg gets very, very red. As soon as I lie back down, the normal color returns. I am afraid to stay up very long on the walker because of this. At this point, the doctor seem to think it is from trauma to blood vessels and swelling pushing against the vessels. They also say the muscles in my foot do not contract and move much due to the boot and so the muscles are not helping to push the blood back up. I can't find anyone else with an ankel injury who had these symptoms of the leg, so I hope some of you can advise or encourage me.I may get compression stockings soon. Will see the orthopedist for a follow up tomorrow and also follow up with vascular surgeon on Feb. 14. Was checked for blood clots and all was fine. Thanks to all for reading this and for any help you can offer. May God be with all of you and may HIs grace be sufficient for each of us. Praying healing for each of you and hope all will be improved as the season of spring and all its hope approaches. Thanks again. God bless.

Feb 06, 2012
Fractured Talus NEW
by: Sandra

Hello to all,
I send prayers and best wishes to each of you. I am hoping to find some input to some symptoms that I have related to a lateral fracture of the talus with no seperation. The fracture occured 8 weeks ago from missing a step and twisting the ankel. It was misdiagnosed as a sprain for 2 weeks. The last 6 weeks, I have been in a moonboot air cast and no weight bearing. The pain has not been too bad. There is always some swelling regardless of whether it is elevated or not. However, HERE IS THE SYMPTOM THAT PUZZLES AND WORRIES ME: I use a walker. When I get up to use the walker, after I am up for as little as 30 seconds, my foot and the leg all the way up to the knee get very red. The foot feels lots of pressure and gets extremely dark. The leg gets very, very red. As soon as I lie back down, the normal color returns. I am afraid to stay up very long on the walker because of this. At this point, the doctor seem to think it is from trauma to blood vessels and swelling pushing against the vessels. They also say the muscles in my foot do not contract and move much due to the boot and so the muscles are not helping to push the blood back up. I can't find anyone else with an ankel injury who had these symptoms of the leg, so I hope some of you can advise or encourage me.I may get compression stockings soon. Will see the orthopedist for a follow up tomorrow and also follow up with vascular surgeon on Feb. 14. Was checked for blood clots and all was fine. Thanks to all for reading this and for any help you can offer. May God be with all of you and may HIs grace be sufficient for each of us. Praying healing for each of you and hope all will be improved as the season of spring and all its hope approaches. Thanks again. God bless.

Feb 06, 2012
broken talus NEW
by: chris

Thanks C King for your kind words it really helps us all with this type of injury. Its good when you can talk to someone who has been through this as most people just dont understand how bad a injury this is.I am so glad i found this site.i can only say keep looking forward and pray. Good luck to everyone

Feb 06, 2012
Remembering... NEW
by: cking

After my accident and on the way to the hospital we passed a funeral. I hoped during the x-rays and CT scan it wasn't so bad...my husband felt terrible and was more fearful of telling my mom about falling off the roof. I felt worse for him as he was having to re-live the accident when asked several (1oo) times, "What happened?" "You were doing what?" Then, after the surgery in the privacy of my hospital room the doctor reported just how serious my broken ankle was - saying to my husband, "This will take a long time to heal." He was thinking 3-4 weeks, maybe 5 weeks. I still remember the look on his face when she said, "No, at least 6 months!"

Whew!!! I remember it like yesterday. I can laugh about a few things now. Then, not so funny or fun. I look back and think how much I have healed and how far I have come since that crazy Sunday @ 3pm and I am ever so thankful because it could have been so much worse.

Don't be fooled: This is a l-o-n-g process...not days or weeks, but months and years. You will (or should) learn patience and how to slow down more. Remember that while some doors may close,other new doors will open.

Keep moving forward, keep thinking positive. You will see improvements...no matter how small. Each of us heals differently and at different rates. Each of our injuries are similar, yet different. However, we do share the bond of
a broken ankle, wondering when will I heal, and how long will this take, or asking is this normal. It's important that we continue to encourage and to be encouraged.

It's been years since my broken ankle and I still have a few problems such as stiffness, pain when I step wrong, coldness, limping at times. I know my ankle will never be the same. How could it be after the kind of break I endured? Not to mention: 1 pin and 3 screws.

I too have changed along the way. In a positive way. :o) I hope you all have a journey of strength, confidence, support, and healthy healing. I hope your journey brings you to a place that will be better than where you are now. Remember, pray DOES work. Try it. :o) Take care!

Feb 06, 2012
broken talus NEW
by: chris

i am going to be returning next week to work i have been off for six and a half months. I am still using a walking stick and still have a limp but need to get back to work i am still going to PT. For the last 2 weeks i have had pain on the bottom of my heel my PT gave me some silicon cups to wear in my shoe and they have helped.This injury takes a long time to heal but you have to stay positive.When i look back to 4 weeks ago i have come a long way i go out every day walking do my exercices and i also use my exercise bike but i do notice if i sit for a long time my ankle is very stiff and it takes me a little time to get going again.happy healing to everyone with this injury

Feb 06, 2012
Glad to have found this NEW
by: Anonymous

I broke my rt talus at the end of October. Now I have a plate and 5 pins. Just became able to bear weight and it is painful. Walking with a boot and walker at present. I start PT tomorrow and am glad to see there is hope. How long before you were able to drive? As of the "accident" I became unemployed - long story so along with the stress of surgery and recovery, I really need to find a job and not being able to drive is a big problem. The last thing I want to be is a burden on anyone.
On the bright side - I am so glad to hear you can wear real shoes! I can't wait to actually wear them. I miss heels!
Thanks for taking the time to write. There is not a whole lot of information from people who have actually experienced this kind of injury out there. Wishing you all a speedy recovery.

Feb 03, 2012
Steph NEW
by: CKing

Hi Steph! Good to hear from you. I am excited that your ankle has become stronger...strong enough to wear new (real) shoes. :o)

As far as SHOES go after an ankle injury: I wore socks and crocks for a long while. I began wearing a very good mountain boot with good ankle support. I had to remove the inner pad because my foot was larger from swelling. I also found a pair of boots with snaps instead of string-ties. This helped me to get into a short ankle boot better. I could actually pull the toungue of the shoe out really far and place my foot into the shoe. At that time, I could not point my foot enough to simply 'slip' into a pair of shoes.

I found crocks to be softer on my heal and more flexible later. I wore open-toed sandles with good arch support for a while too. All the while practicing walking straight and level. My foot still tends to turn in a bit, but much better!

It hasn't been until the last year that I was able (or brave enough) to try wearing a heel. Actually, it was more like a comfortable wedge. Forget the small, cute, or sexy strapped heels...no support for a wobbly ankle. Not to mention how silly I looked trying to walk normal. The heel of the shoe wasn't strong enough to hold me up while walking and I certainly DID NOT want to re-injure my ankle. That would be a nightmare!!

Last year I also found a pair of knee high and fashionable ;O) boots to wear. !!!!! They have a chunky heel, not a small pointed heel. Boots can be tricky to find too. Your foot ends up in a different angle and you want good arch support. I am still wearing a 1/2 size larger too, now in an 8. Oh well, at least I have progressed right. :o)

I know the guys think this is silly. But, shoes are important after an ankle injury and women love their heels. I took the safe road for a long time with flats. It's not so much about whether your ankle has healed enough to wear a higher heel, as much as it also has a lot to do with your confidence.

A break like ours is serious, crazy, painful, takes a long time to heal, and was a place I don't want to be again. The healing time takes a lot and challenges a person in many ways! It's not easy, but it can make you stronger both on the outside and the inside! I still have some pain on days, if I step wrong, or if the weather changes. I was told as long as I can keep moving it will be better in the long run. RUN? Not yet...ha, ha!! Thank you to everyone who continues to keep in touch. It helps us all. Even after the years.

Lately, I have found that if I step I feel a sort of 'catch' in my ankle/foot area. Not sure why. Maybe it's a sign that I am walking differently again. Maybe it is getting stronger still and my body is adjusting again. I don't have to keep my ankle elevated with ice anymore. Although, my friend continues to be ALEVE. All in all, my ankle is better and I am very thankful. As I still remember the day it happened and know my break could have been so much worse! Best wishes...

Feb 03, 2012
To Clark & C. King NEW
by: Steph

Hi Clark. I also have plantar fascitis. My surgeon gave me a shot similar to cortisone and my podiatrist ordered me Darco Body Armor Night Splints and custom shoe inserts. I also do my p.t. stretches in the morning after my shower. These things have helped me greatly. I rarely have plantar fascitis pain any more and when it does flare up, I just wear the night splints and it goes away again.

C. King...First, let me say thank you for starting these posts. They have meant so much to me during my healing. Also, I have not tried heels yet but I have tried some flat dress shoes, clogs and boots instead of my tennis shoes and it has went pretty well so maybe I will get brave and try some low chunky heels soon. I will keep you posted. I thought it was interesting that I now have to buy a half size bigger shoe than I used to before my injury.

Injury update...All in all, I would say I am doing pretty well considering the severity of my injury. I have been back to work full time at my desk job since April 2011. I still have stiffness and ache type pain in the mornings (probably due to the athritis I have developed) but once I get my shower, do my stretches, and get moving it usually goes away. I have the same stiffness and ache type pain when I sit too long. I also experience a muscle type pain when I over do it. It has been a year and six months since my injury...can anyone tell me if they continued to improve more than a year and a half after their injury?

Feb 01, 2012
doctor visit NEW
by: Clark

I saw my surgeon yesterday for a checkup. She was amazed that I was barely limping due to the severity of my talus fracture. She put me on mobic for inflammation and had me fitted for a custom brace that is supposed to take alot of weight off the ankle when walking. I will pick it up in a few weeks and let everyone know how is works. I feel like I have come a long way since last April when this occured. The doctor referred me to another surgeon who does full ankle replacements. I will see this doctor in May of 2012. She thinks I would be a good candidate for this procedure. She said it would eliminate the severe arthritis I have developed and also give me more mobility. All in all I was happy with the visit. I am glad to read on here that many of you have improvements 2 to 3 years out. If I do decide to do an ankle replacement I want to wait and see how far this healing process goes and if I can live with the arthritis pain. Best wishes to all for continued recovery.

Jan 30, 2012
broken talus NEW
by: chris

well its been 5 months since i had surgery and i am now walking with a limp and useing a walking stick for outside. I still dont have much up and down movement and hardley any side to side movement but i am improving slowley.still going to PT and i am hopeing to return to work in 2 weeks time. My walking is still very slow. I still am getting a lot of random pains in my foot sometimes it will be on my heel and then the next on my sole sometimes the pain only lasts for a few minutes other times a few hours. But i guess this is all part of the healing process this is a very long recovery for this injury good luck to everyone

Jan 17, 2012
To Clark NEW
by: cking

Clark - So, Glad you found this sight. Hopefully, you will find some encouragement through the others' told stories. This type of injury happens to more people than I ever realized. YOURS sounds like the worst break so far. I am sorry to hear about your pain and suffering...and the possibility of amputation. That sounds so extreme. Thankful however, that you did not have more serious/other injuries. It sounds as if your fall could have been much worse.

I watched a program a while back regarding a woman who tried an ankle replacement BEFORE amputation. It seemed to work for her and she could walk again. I am not sure of those odds or the tolerance of pain for her. On the other side of that story medicine techniques have come a very long way...artificle limbs can be a blessing too. Many people (including our wounded Military) are now using them and continue to have active lives. Keep looking forward to where you want to be!

I certainly hope you can heal healthy which ever path you find yourself. I wish you had better news about your bone strength. It seems with these types of ankle injuries the bone dying afterwards is all too real. My ankle was dislocated and the blood supply was cut off for hours before surgery. It took months before x-rays showed any change. I am forever thankful the blood supply returned and the bone healed. Going through it was very scary...not knowing was the worst. Waiting came in 2nd.

Please continue to post your experiences here. Many people visit and post. Each story brings insight, hope, and allows you a place to vent. It allows you the sense of not being alone through this healing. Your experience can be an encouragement for others...maybe that alone will help you too.

Take care and thank you for sharing your story.

Jan 16, 2012
Shattered Talus NEW
by: Clark

I googled broken talus success stories hoping to find some uplifting stories of people who beat the odds and recovered completely. I shattered my talus bone on April 09, 2011. I fell at the river down some steps and landed on some rocks. I had surgery the following day for a shattered talus which my doctor said was pushed up into my lower leg. Not to go into great detail but I have had a total of five surgeries related to this accident. I have FINALLY started walking with regular shoes on but still have pain, swelling, and overall stiffness and very limited range of motion. I push myself everyday to try and work on my movement. I have a desk job so luckily I have been able to work but the sitting at the desk seems to make the swelling worse. The hardest part for me has been the complete life change due to this injury. I was so physically active now I seem to struggle just to get through the day without too much pain. I too have developed plantar fascitis which seems to be getting better. The bottom of my foot still doesn't have all of the feeling back. My doctor said I do show that the bone is collapsing that they took out of my leg and put in my foot. She also said I have arthritis. An ankle fusion is my next step if this becomes unbearable. She said last resort would be amputation but that with an excellent prostesis I would be able to have a very active life. This scared me so I got a second opinion at UAB in Birmingham and the top surgeon there said she was right on with her diagnosis. I just wanted to share my story and thanks for all the other post on here. It helps to read other people's experiences with this terrible injury. I wish you all a speedy recovery.

Jan 10, 2012
broken talus NEW
by: chris

hi everyone-hope everyone had a good christmas i seen my consulant on the 16th of dec had 2 x-rays done and my fracture has healed compleatly so far he told me there was no sign of bone collapse. the day before that i was at PT and was asked if i wanted to try a walking stick which i did and have got on really well i can now go about at home without it but need it for outside but i do have limp my consultant said that he could see me again in March but i have healed well and doesnt want to see me untill July.But my ankle is very stiff so i am doing a lot of stretches at home and at PT had my first long walk on the wednesday before christmas didnt relise how slow i was at walking but over the last 2 weeks i have been getting a bit quicker.Thought i would be getting back to work soon but think it will be another month before i return. Its been 23 weeks since my accident and 19 since my OP .happy healing in 2012 everyone

Dec 25, 2011
Talus Fracture NEW
by: Pritesh

Hi to all, i am back to my normal life since one month. i had a fracure of talus before seven and half month. i dont limp while walking. i walk normally. on road yes i cant say it doesnt pain, it does but its tolerable pain. happy that i can walk without limp. speed of walking is little slow than normal. i can not run. and i wanted to ask you ppl abt biking. should i drive my bike?? my doctor has said no to me. but i did it twice till now. i likes to post specilly for new injure ppl. coz i know every one wants to know when they eill walk normally. it took me 6 months to start walking without any support. I had hawkins 3 type of fracture. will post again.soon.....bye 4 nw

Dec 21, 2011
Talus Fracture NEW
by: Anonymous

Hello All- I'm glad that I found this site to read the stories of others who have also had this rare injury. I broke my talus on August 25th by coming up short on a dirtbike jump. I initially chalked it up to being a sprain and hobbled around until about a week later I went to get xrays, cat scan, and mri and then saw that I had a displaced talus fracture in my right ankle. I had surgery september 8th and had 2 plates put in. I was in a solid cast for a couple weeks then a boot 24/7 for another month or so. I did about ten pt sessions once my doc gave me the ok to only wear the boot if I was up doing stuff. PT gained a good portion of my motion back for me, but I felt that they didn't push me hard enough. Since about october 10th I have done ankle exercises every single day, along with calf strengthening and I can happily say that I have full ROM upward, outward, and almost inward and downward. I had my 3 month checkup Dec. 8th and my doc said that I am way ahead of schedule for my ROM. My 3 month x-rays looked good and he said the bone is healed and I was given the ok to start walking with partial weight on my foot for a week before ditching the crutches. I ended up starting to walk that same day (sorry doc!) because I felt ready. I even took my dog for a walk down a trail a few days after that. I walk in the walking boot until January 8th then I move to a regular shoe. I am a very active 23 year old and I am determined to get back to my lifestyle. Once i get into a shoe I am really just looking forward to being able to take my dog for walks again every day and going on hikes. I am also going to get back on my road bike in January to really start working my ankle. I see my doc again February 6th and I am hoping for some good news by then to get back to motocross. Well now that I have wrote this I forgot that in the same incident that broke my right talus, I messed up my left knee for the 2nd time. Now that my ankle is finally getting better I've decided it's time to figure out my knee so I receive the results of my MRI for that on dec. 27th. I keep forgetting that I have htis other injury and I'm praying that I didn't tear my ACL again. In the past 4 years I've went through a acl reconstruction and meniscus cleanup, collarbone plating and now this talus break. I love motocross with a passion and I don't think that I'll ever quit but these injuries lately have really taken a toll on me physically, and with this talus fracture, very mentally as well. My advice for anyone going through this is to stay positive which can be very hard to do when you're on crutches for so long. I tried to not let them limit me too much. I learned how to do pretty much everything on crutches and would even go down to the river with my dog on them. Also get a list of at home exercises to do and work on your ROM EVERY SINGLE DAY!

Dec 13, 2011
Merry Christmas to All and to all healthy healing! NEW
by: cking

Good to still hear from companions in pain & healing from broken ankles...

Chris - I'd be interested in hearing about your progress regarding the different feelings you are experiencing in the different areas of your ankle and foot. I think this information would be good for others - to realize this is normal and to remember the healing process is on-going! My son-in-law once said, "But, it's been years. Her ankle has healed by now." To think he is a real PT? LOL. I guess you don't really understand until it happens to you. :o)

Gary x Northern Ireland! Hello...good to hear from you as well! The news of the blood supply being replenished is wonderful. THAT is a huge achievement in your healing process. I am curious as to how much "movement" you are able to achieve? I have lost my circle ability, but have maintained the up and down motion very well. I can stand on my toes too. Testifying to the stength I have built up over the years. Unfortunately, your screws have backed out - bummer. But it's an easy enough fix for a surgeon (I was told). My hardware remains in place. I still limp after all this time only when I over-do it and some days (like this weekend - ha!) I could barely walk up the stairs without pain...making me wonder how this injury will fair over the years. hummmm. I also experienced weeks of what seemed like no improvement, then suddenly being able to do things I could not do before! That is a good sign and builds your confidence up significantly! Keep up the good work! Keep us posted.

Take Care ALL. God Bless your families this holiday season! Be safe...no ladders!
CKing

Dec 12, 2011
Update NEW
by: Gary, Northern Ireland

Hi everyone,
I haven,t left a comment on here for a while so just an update of my progress. Seven months after my accident my left ankle is completely healed now no pain in it whatsoever though there was no talus damage. I was at the hospital today to get my right ankle assessed, it was good news. It appears that the blood supply is returning and also the movement in the ankle, the consultant says he is less worried about collapse of the ankle now and that considering what we started with (which according to him was just a jumble of bits and pieces of bone) the progress has been excellent. I have been booked in for an MRI scan and surgery to remove two screws which are protruding quite badly and make it impossible to wear shoes, because this is not a priority procedure it will probably be March before it happens. The other screws will remain because it will probably cause too much damage trying to find them. Long term the prognosis is still unclear and fusion is still a possibility but it would be for pain relief rather than AVN which is good because i think i can take quite a lot of pain before i would consider fusion. I think like everyone on here i have gained a new perspective on pain over the past few months and can get quite used to certain levels of pain if i have to. I am back working part time and although i don,t go on roofs at the moment i have been using ladders and going into roof spaces whilst taking extra care and having invested in more safety equipment, i would prefer not to go on ladders at all but in the short term i need an income and this is the only way i can think of to get it. I,ve been walking with a limp and using a stick and sometimes weeks go by with no sign of improvement then suddenly i notice i can do something that i couldn,t do before or i can turn my foot further than i could before. Please everyone keep posting as i love it when i check my emails and see a new comment has been added. Sorry to go on so long.
Wishing everyone the best recovery they can have and a happy christmas.
Gary

Nov 29, 2011
broken talus
by: chris

Thanks C KING for your reply i know what you mean about the different feeling some good and some not so good!!! I was at PT yesterday and i have now got to practise using one crutch i now have a different pain when doing this its now at the inside of my ankle above my heel but hopefully this will ease up as the week goes on my PT told me to use my excersise bike for 5 mins twice a day building up to 10 mins i have also got to stand on my tip toes holding on to work top in kitchen so i am going to be busy with all this!! But feels good to be able to start getting back to normal after three and a half months sitting about not doing much
kind regards to everyone with this injury hope you all heel fast x

Nov 23, 2011
To Chris
by: Cking

Congrats on your healing time frame. Sounds very similar to my own personal experience. I also noticed then that the bottom of my foot appeared to be a bit rounder (like a baby's foot) from not walking on it for 3+ months. You may continue to feel new sensations in your foot, heel, and ankle as you progress. I found the different stages of healing very interesting. First you notice this and then you notice it becomes stronger...then, you notice something else, something different because your foot/ankle haven't used that part for so long, or the muscle has gotten smaller...then, you get stronger with that area and notice something else more sore because you are now able to move it more or place more weight on it. The process continues as you heal!

Keep getting better and stretch as much as possible. I remember rolling my foot over a water bottle that I kept in the freezer. That felt very good and still does on stiff-ankle days. Keep moving because it helps the overall progress. You were probably measured in PT and have a goal to reach for flex ranges. I also remember being nervous when my PT person would pull and crack my ankle area...but, boy did it feel better and looser than before the snap, crackle, pop. :o)

Best wishes.

Nov 23, 2011
broken talus
by: chris

i started weight bearing on monday i am still on crutches and will be for 2 weeks my PT told me. But it feels good now that i have started to put a little weight on my foot it has been three and a half months since my acccident. But i do notice that i am getting a sharp pain up the back of my heel on the right side of my foot i hope this goes away soon but i knew it would not be pain free when you start to put weight on your injured foot Well good luck to everyone

Nov 15, 2011
broken talus
by: chris

was meant to be going to see my consultant tommorow but they have cancelled my appointment what a let down as i have been non weight bearing for 12 weeks now and was told at my last appointment that i would be starting to weight bear after that not getting my next appointment to the 14th dec so i phoned my PT and he is going to ask my consulant if i can start weight bearing on monday hopefully he will say yes dont think i can stand another 4 weeks of being on these crutches

Nov 08, 2011
Cold weather...
by: Noel

Hi!!! It's been so long since I left a comment here. My foot has healed so well, I am able to ride my bike, swim, rock climb, and hike without any pain! I am still not able to run or jog, and in the mornings my foot is super stiff.

I quit my job and moved to start nursing school, where I live now is so cold and I'm not used to it! The weather has definitely been affecting my foot, it aches and is stiff all the time, I'm sure I'm not the only one that experiences this! Since I left my job and moved I had to switch health insurances but I still think I need PT, it's been five months since I started walking and I really want to be able to run, even if I'm not able to do it recreationally, I want to be able to have the motion. How long were all you in PT for?

I'm so blessed to have come this far and I love hearing all of your stories!
C. King- Congrats on your heels!!!

Nov 08, 2011
Talus fracture
by: Pritesh

Just an update, i have started walking without a limp using cane. without cane also i am walking normally i mean without limp. but on rough surface, on uneven surface i limp very little. i am happy with my recovery its 6 and hlaf month now. glad that i am walking, the speed of walking is average, cant walk very fast. but its ok, in my next update i will give detail explanation of my recovery for new and mid injured ppl. almost THIER STILL LITTLE TO HEAL THOUGH.......BUT HAPPY

Oct 24, 2011
broken talus
by: Anonymous

well had my first appiontment with PT today he gave me a excercise program to do at home untill i start weight bearing hopefully that will be in 3 weeks time after i see my consultant he also said that once i start putting weight on my foot it wont be to long before i will be walking unaided cant wait. feeling a lot more positive now... good luck to everyone

Oct 24, 2011
Healing Time...
by: cking

To Pritesh: I admire your continued expectations and energy. However, it is normal to LIMP after beginning to walk again. It will take more time. Don't be in a hurry. What you are experiencing is "NORMAL". Your ankle is still healing, including the other things in your ankle (muscle, tendons. etc.). I know you want to heal super fast, but it takes time. You may continue to limp until everything completely heals. I still limp if I overdue it.

To Sam: Great news on the your healthy bone and blood supply! That is a huge hurdle to cross. Sometimes the blood supply does not return and the bone dies, causing even more problems! Be so very thankful for small miracles! Best of luck in continued healing...

To Steph: Good news for me! Steph I wanted you to know that I wore a 3" heel (chunky) boot on Friday all day during work. It's taken 3-4 years but I've done it!!! I was ready for flats at the end of the day, but I felt this was a goal met and achieved! Boots were on sale and my ankle actually fit into them. Hard to find a pair of boots that my ankle pointed enough to fit into. Found a pair with a zipper from ankle to calf. Can't say enough for small achievements!

Best wishes all! Cathy

Oct 24, 2011
Talus fracture
by: Sam

Just had my cast off after 7 weeks since breaking my ankle and having surgery on the Talus. The doctors were very pleased and said that the Talus was healing well and the blood supply was still present.

I am now in an air cast boot with partial weight bearing on my toes and foot as I walk, still with crutches though and have a check up in 3 weeks to assess and begin Physiotherapy.



Oct 23, 2011
Talus fracture
by: Pritesh

SOMETIMES I AM LIMPING SOMETIMES I AM NOT....USING CANE I MEAN, WHAT IS THE REASON FOR THIS??? AND WAT IS THE REASON FOR LIMPINg?? HOW TO OVERCOME THAT????

Oct 17, 2011
To Pritesh
by: Cking

Wow! That is wonderful news...You are making great "strides". As far as the AM limp, that was normal for me too. I just got use to it and after a little stretching I was not limping during the rest of the day (unless I over did it).

If your doctor suggested lunges, squats, and theraband that is good too! I personally could not do lunges because my ankle would not allow the flex-forward enough. I only have 90 degrees and can point almost as far as my good ankle. I think squats will exercise/stretch the calf, which will also help to keep is loose. Remember, if you get cramps after using those muscles again...drink pickle juice it really works. However, don't be surprised if a charlie-horse bites you in the leg at night. I remember waking to a tightened muscle several times.

I still use my theraband to keep my muscles loose & to keep the stretch ability. My doctor reminded me to keep moving it. The ankle bone is connected to the leg bone, the leg bone is connected to the knee bone, the knee bone is connected to the hip bone...Yes, it it all connected and will work much better as each part gets stonger. Keep up the good work!

How is your circulation? Do you feel cold sensations at all? I get concerned when I feel this sensation in my right leg. Thanks, Cathy

Oct 17, 2011
Talus fracture
by: Pritesh

Hi guys,good news and just an update from me, i visited doct on 15th. i have started using a cane now finally got rid off crutches after almost 6 months, i walk without limp most of the times. but speed of walking is little slow. in morning when i wake up, i limp for few steps but then its ok, any suggestion on that C king??? as per physio i will start walking normally without cane in 30 days from now. have told me to do lunges, squating, theraband excercise to build up ankle strength. i am happy to get rid off crutches and walking on my own with help of cane though. good luck to u ppl.


Oct 11, 2011
broken talus
by: chris

well i seen my consultant yesterday and he was pleased with my recovery so far. i had my cast removed and that felt great i was shown some excercises to do at home and i will be starting physio next week i am still non weight bearing for a further 6 weeks and then i was told that i would start putting weight on my foot and after 2 weeks i can return to work realy pleased with this cant wait to return to normal thought i would be a lot
longer recovering than this after such a bad break so my total recovery since my accident has been four and a half months can now see the light at the end of the tunnel

Oct 10, 2011
To Sam
by: C.King

I cannot run, unless it's a matter of life or death (my doctor says). However, I have been able to trot a bit. LOL. My ankle feels it later in the evening.

I think scuba diving will be great for you. Plus, you should be able to use your up and down ankle motion. If you heal like me...you may lose your rotation ability to a large degree. My ankle is pretty much @ 90 degrees and pointing (although not as much of a pointing angle as my good ankle). Scuba also is a low impact water sport. Some doctors even recommend aqua therapy.

You may want to work on the stretching of your muscles too. I have found at times I still get leg cramps (pickle juice works wonders for leg cramps!! Learned that in PT from a woman who had them). Scuba & leg cramps don't work too well together. Also, the cold can affect your ankle comfort - depending on how deep you dive. Just some FYI. Good luck and best wishes!

Oct 07, 2011
Broken talus neck
by: Sam

The doctors said at the time of surgery I will have therapy to build up the muscle and use of my ankle again. Its understandable I guess after the break and having it immobilized for 7 weeks.

How are you with jogging and running now? I want to return to scuba diving once fixed, does anyone have any experiences of this?

Oct 06, 2011
To: Sam
by: C.King

I will be curious to see how you do after the cast comes off! Has your doctor indicated any PT? I am sure it will be an adjustment to walking again.

I remember being in a solid cast after sliding into 3rd base in high school. The base didn't budge! I severely sprain my left ankle at that time and was in a cast for 3 months (right at graduation - wonderful!). They said I should have broke it because it would have healed faster. LOL. Little did we know then that at 44 I would be breaking my right ankle after falling from a ladder (saving my husband's life). Even with a sprained ankle I lost muscle and stength. Not to mention, I was benched for the rest of the season.

It was an adjustment for me then with just a sprain injury and was certainly an adjustment and still concerning to my right ankle since the break of my talus @ 3-4 yrs ago.

Stay in touch. Others will be interested to hear about your recovery story and experience. Thanks!

Oct 06, 2011
Broken talus neck
by: Sam

Hi Cathy,

I'm 19, so not quite sure why I am still on trampolines, maybe it's a sign haha.

Been in the cast for almost 5 weeks now post surgery and will get it removed in 2 weeks. It just seems to take for ever but hasn't stopped me doing much.

Sam

Oct 05, 2011
No Surgery
by: Ben

Hello,

It has been a breath of fresh air seeing the level of insight towards education, positive thinking and therapy compared to other sites.

I am 30 yrs of age and extremely active. I fractured my talus on 9/3/11 after falling 20' rock climbing. Initially, I was not going to seek medical attention, but reluctantly went to ER. I was about to be discharged w/ a sprained ankle, but radiologist informed ER physician that I had a fractured malleolus. After multiple attempts of weight-bearing w/ and w/out boot as instructed, I saw the orthopedic specialist who ordered more xrays and informed me of my fractured talus 3 wks later. A wk later I had a CT scan that revealed that my talus was fractured vertically at the body and displaced by 3-4mm at the bottom. moreover, there was a bone chip in the displacement. The surgeon after consulting others thought it was best to let it heal on its own due to the invasive risk of breaking/cutting bone to removed chip and use screws to union the fractured talus.

This appeared to be a gamble as the surgeon had not seen a fracture like mine and was more familiar w/ repairing talus' that were shattered and or immediately after the injury, not after a month.

At this point I am in a removable cast (great for showering!) and will non-weight bearing for next three months (similar to post op.). I was told that AVN would not be an issue in my case, but arthritis most likely will be an issue. I can expect it to occur in 1 month or in 25 years. I have been told similar stories as you: I may or may not have a limp, even if I could run, it will exacerbate arthritis,etc.

Right now, I am refraining from coffee as it impedes vascularity as I am told. I am trying to exercise the rest of my body in that it promotes healthy blood flow and healing. Finally, I am trying to stay positive (most difficult). This site has been helpful in that regard!

I would like to hear more follow-up/recovery stories, healing and therapeutic techniques and strategies, and what its like returning to acitivies of daily living....and more!


Oct 05, 2011
Talus fracture
by: Pritesh

Hi guys i am on 100 percent weight bearing now on crutches, i had surgery of my ankle on 27th april 2 screws in my ankle, its five and half month almost, as per doctor i will start using cane from 16th oct, atleast i will get rid off crutches, cane sounds bit better than crutches…. i m scared of limping….keep updating please, this injury is diffrent and will help new injured to know when will they recover.


Oct 04, 2011
To Sam
by: C.King

Reading that your broke your talus neck while on a trampoline, I am assuming your are young"er" than I was when I broke my talus @ 44 yrs from the roof-line.

Saying that, you will probably heal faster than most. However, being younger you probably want to be active much sooner too. I recommend you listen to your doctor and take the time needed to heal properly.

You will be fine! Glad you found the website. It has helped many others from different places around the world. Keep in touch and share your story of healing.

Cathy

Oct 03, 2011
Inspiration
by: Sam

I broke my talus neck 5 weeks ago on a trampoline and ended up having 2 screws fixed in to hold the bone together. Just reading through every ones comments has been an inspiration and how after a period of time anything is possible.

Sep 29, 2011
broken talus
by: chris

just found this site its good to hear from people who have this injury i broke my talus on the 30th of july i had fracture blisters and did not get my op untill 25th of aug had about 4 screws put in after 2 weeks got my stiches out i have a hard cast on for a total of 6 weeks wich i have 2 weeks left to go and then getting a removable boot but my doc said still no weight bearing for a further 6 weeks so looks like a very long recovery just got to take each day as it comes good luck to everyone with this injury

Sep 20, 2011
Progress
by: Lindae2

I’m at the 9 month point after left talus, navicular, and 2nd to 5th metatarsal ORIF surgery. My last doctor visit was very encouraging. All my bones seem to be healed so now it’s just a matter of getting movement back. I definitely have more up and down movement than sideways. I just had my 56th birthday and my doctor wants me to have a bone density test as he can see some osteopenia in my xrays. I definitely had to boost my intake of calcium and Vitamin D. Ladies, take your calcium and Vitamin D faithfully. Perhaps that’s why my foot broke so badly when I fell.

I am now allowed to walk/hike up to 3 miles. I’ve also re-started PT at a new facility and have progressed much faster. On my first visit the therapist was quite dismayed at the lack of movement in my toes and foot but the new exercises and starting to walk and hike more has helped a lot. I am using hiking poles when going to the wilderness parks and they help so much coming downhill it’s amazing. Another benefit is that my arms get a good workout and just getting outside in the fresh air really improves the mental part of healing as well. I hiked 3 miles on Sunday and it felt good however later in the day I could barely walk. I need to remember to take Aleve as soon as I finish the hikes as it really helps a lot. The pain was worth it though just to be outdoors doing something. Being housebound sure takes a toll mentally.

I still limp but definitely not like before. My outlook is much brighter than it was a couple months ago and I’m very thankful for that.

Take care everyone,

Linda


Sep 20, 2011
To: Anonymous
by: C.King

Hi - Still here and still doing well at this point. Your healing stages sound too familiar. I started using a cane about the same time. I was also working through some PT too. Glad to hear you are coming along rather well and as expected. I often think of Sgt. Gonzalez, NYPD. I hope you have had more better days and perhaps worked through those more difficult times. I would like to hear how you are doing now.

The only negative things I still experience now is occasional stiffness and I may still step wrong and I feel a sort of 'catch' in my ankle/tendon area(?). I am also experiencing a bit of bursitis in my right hip...who knows how that started? I am wondering if it is some how related due to sleeping after all this time using caution to my right ankle and right side. I still cannot run. However, I have tried to walk a bit faster and at times feel some discomfort, although for the most part my ankle feels stronger.

The positive things at this point are (I love this part!!): I am getting around better than ever, I have more endurance, I can walk longer and further than before, I take Aleve each day and that helps (nothing stronger), I continue to stretch and try to rotate my ankle each day, and I am noticing small improvements - even today. :o) Barely notice a limp, if any. :o) To Steph - I am considering a higher real shoe heel for Fall. My husband thinks it's too high. I think I should try. ha,ha!! I am ready for shoes that are not flat. Progress - that is what THAT is!!

I hope the rest of you have good progress reports. Keep us updated because it helps those still healing. Winter will be closing in again soon. Keep your ankles warm and moving. Continue to focus on what you CAN do, not what you can't. It makes a huge difference! Take care all!

Cathy

Sep 20, 2011
Talus Farcture
by: Anonymous

Hi,
just an update, its almost 5 months now from my date of fracture/ surgery. i am on 100 percent weight bearing on crutches. my doctor has told me to leave crutches on next visit, i.e- 15th oct, and i will be using a stick for 1 month after that. Cant wait till i walk normally. Hi to C King ,how u doing now??

Aug 19, 2011
To Pritesh
by: C.King

I truly wish you the best. A "healthy" healing should be your goal, especially since you are so young. You have many, many more miles to reach with your ankle.

I cannot say that you will never run again...

My doctor told me NOT to run unless my life depended on it. I think she was exaggerating a bit. I mean, seriously, no running? However, she really did not want me to run on my ankle. That was a year ago when I saw her last. I suppose she recommended that because I have healed so well (top 5%), she would hate to see me mess it up again, especially since I do have the hardware in it. Imagine another break or dislocation in the same ankle! That could become very messy and more difficult to correct or even loss of my foot due to the lack of blood supplied to the area.

I have tried to skip and I tried a little jog for very short distance…just to see how it feels. Yes, I wondered about it. Unfortunately, that action doesn’t feel or work very well for me. So, I guess she was right. I had to try it though after 3 years. At this point, I am happy to be walking better. It’s never going to be the same as before my ankle broke. As we’ve all said in this blog, it’s a very serious injury!

Patience, patience, and more patience... It’s something some people find most difficult to practice. I hope you find encouragement in slowing down a bit. Sometimes life can be better when we slow down a bit. We have time to see the other things we tend to pass or overlook in our hurry.

Hey, give yourself the time your doctor’s say you should be able to walk normally. They may be right for YOU. :o) That would be amazing and great. Think positive now. YOU may be walking without a limp in a few weeks. You won’t know until then. However, if you are not back to normal by then don’t be too hard on yourself. Keep moving forward with your recovery. You will get better than you are now.

There are many stages to healing. There are many treatments available. Doctors try the first steps before moving onto the more serious treatments. Other people have not been as fortunate. They’ve had more surgeries and fusions of their ankle and more pain meds and so on…there is no guarantee. All I can give to you is my story, my support and encouragement, and prayers for healing.

Aug 19, 2011
Talus fracture
by: Pritesh

HI C.King
After reading ur comment it seems that u started putting 100percent weight after six month using cane right??. so u had a limp for 1 and half year. my god thts really long. but after consulting to doctor and physio they told me i will limp for only 15-20 days i.e- may be. i really wish to start walking in 2 months from now. why this fracture is so danger. may b god forgot to give a good blood flow to this bone...........now every day is a challenge for me. i am a very impatient person. and all u need for talus fracture is patience and patience. lets hope for the best.
one more thing my operation was almost same like u i have 2 screws in my talus bone with 1 pin. and even the initial procedure is same. even i dislocated and broke my talus bone. only the thing is my doctor is confident tht i will start walking in one and half month. but after going thro many cases of talus fracture on net i am bit worried. and plz tell me about running/jog also..tc

Aug 19, 2011
To Pritesh
by: C.King

First of all, I am very sorry to hear about your fiancée leaving you "because of this injury". That is just not right, especially if you had planned to be married (in sickness and in health).

I hope you do heal faster than I did. I broke my ankle in 2008, so I was much older than you are now. I have heard younger people heal faster and move around sooner. So, that may give you hope. My surgery may have been different than yours: I dislocated and broke my talus. I needed 1 pin and 3 screws. I never had a 2nd surgery - thank goodness. However, my doctors did tell me that this type of injury was very serious and does take a long time to heal.

Each person heals differently. I cannot tell you how soon you will begin walking with 100% weight and without a limp. Please consult your doctors for their advice.

I can only tell you about my experience. I was instructed NO WEIGHT for the first 3 months. 12 days after my surgery, I was placed into a 90 degree boot and had to use a walker (only because I personally felt more stable on a walker since I could not place any weight on my ankle. I wanted to give my ankle the chance to heal properly. I did not want another surgery. Plus, the doctor wanted to see that the bone itself was healing. Staying off the ankle helped my ankle heal better for the first 3 months).

Three months after my accident (@ March-May) I used crutches and could place some weight on my ankle. Plus, I was in physical therapy for 3 months longer (@ June-August). - My doctor told me in the beginning 6 months, at least to heal. - Through those months I continued to see my doctor each month and had x-rays taken, verifying that the bone began to heal stronger and to see that the hardware stayed in place. I eventually began using a cane while in physical therapy (@ 6 month time period from my accident).

NOTE: I did see a younger girl (@ your age) in PT who broke her ankle in 2 places walking with full weight (in a cast) BEFORE I began walking on full weight.

Honestly, I personally had a slight limp during my 2 year check-up. I have lost most of the rotation abilities in my ankle. Today I can walk without a limp, but I will limp from time-to-time when I over-do the walking, etc.

Remember, everyone heals differently. Please listen to your doctors for your own personal healing outlook/results. You do not want to re-damage your ankle or have a 2nd surgery. This has been a very serious injury.

I feel you may be in a hurry because of your situation regarding your fiancée. Maybe you feel if you have no limp, things will be different…or back to the way they were before your accident. You are young and you have you whole life ahead of you, filled with many adventures, and people to meet. Believe in yourself!! Take care of yourself now the best that you can. Know that you WILL HEAL and your future days WILL BE BRIGHTER and HAPPY. Best wishes!

Aug 19, 2011
Talus fracture
by: Pritesh

Hi C.king
thanks for the reply...and glad to hear that ur ankle is almost normal now..but as i read ur comment it says it took u 2 years to walk without limping....can u please tell me when did u start to put 100percent weight without crutches after ur injury...and one more thing i am 26 years old.
i have heard tht healing is bit quicker at young age. and can u run now?? and do u think it will b possible for me to walk normally after 1 and half month 4m now. as my doctor told me. i am really frustrated of being on crutches. want to live life normally. its 3 and half month now. also my fiancee has dumped me due to this injury...went really sad... PLZ REPLY

Aug 19, 2011
To Gary
by: C.King

Good to hear from you Gary. 12 weeks since your surgery...Wow!! Believe it or not you have come a long way. I know it's still early, but I was wondering if your doctor was on a schedule for progress regarding the degree angle of your ankle? Your break is different than mine. However, I seem to remember it was just @ 12 days after my surgery and they were getting me in into a 90 degree boot already. The swelling and pain that day was terrible. Thank goodness for pain meds and my husband's easy chair. LOL. I also remember questioning the amount of degree they set the boot. At the time, I thought it was a bit extreme, just 12 days later. They literally removed the stitches, cleaned up my ankle a bit, and had in adjust the angle to 90 degrees. Tightened the velcro on the boot. He told me that it was necessary so I didn't walk on my toes. Perhaps, he was just trying to get me out of the office more quickly. (No, I wasn't happy that day!)

90 degrees and PT is a good amount (if possible) to help you walk later. It's really amazing how your body heals and why certain things are important to do at certain times through the healing process. I can't imagine having both ankles broken at the same time. I wish you all the best. Ice and elevation are your friend now... :o)

Please keep posting and giving us updates on your status. I hope others will continue too. Take Care.

P.S. How is our NYPD Srgt doing? Just checking on you again.

Aug 19, 2011
Update
by: Gary

Hi,
Just thought i would give a brief update of how i am progressing, i had the cast removed from my "good" leg on July 18th and have gradually progressed to full weight bearing , the movement on the ankle is very good and the swelling and pain are minimal. My left ankle was a relatively bad break but no talus damage and the recovery has been good. The external fixator was removed from my right ankle on Monday August 15th and i am extremely pleased about that. I have started PT on it and am weight bearing with a zimmer frame. The swelling and pain are pretty bad at the moment but probably to be expected, movement is still minimal and can only get it to -10deg so far but it,s early days. Its 12 weeks today since my surgery and things seem so much better now, i don,t know how my ankle will progress but i am more hopeful with each progression, still a long way to go but so far so good.I look forward to seeing all the other comments on here, it,s interesting to see how others are dealing with their injuries, thanks for all your comments.
Gary

Aug 19, 2011
Update
by: Gary

Hi,
Just thought i would give a brief update of how i am progressing, i had the cast removed from my "good" leg on July 18th and have gradually progressed to full weight bearing , the movement on the ankle is very good and the swelling and pain are minimal. My left ankle was a relatively bad break but no talus damage and the recovery has been good. The external fixator was removed from my right ankle on Monday August 15th and i am extremely pleased about that. I have started PT on it and am weight bearing with a zimmer frame. The swelling and pain are pretty bad at the moment but probably to be expected, movement is still minimal and can only get it to -10deg so far but it,s early days. Its 12 weeks today since my surgery and things seem so much better now, i don,t know how my ankle will progress but i am more hopeful with each progression, still a long way to go but so far so good.I look forward to seeing all the other comments on here, it,s interesting to see how others are dealing with their injuries, thanks for all your comments.
Gary

Aug 18, 2011
To Pritesh
by: C.King

Welcome to the group of those who have experienced broken ankles in one form or another.

I can only speak for myself and did not begin writing until @ 2 years into my injury, surgery, and PT. This is what I previusly wrote about walking without a limp:

It has now been 2 years and I am now able to walk with an almost unrecognizeable skip / limp. I still have days of inflamation - I take meds for the inflamation. I still at times need to elevate my ankle on those over-active days.

To this day I can limp if I over-do it, walk too much, step wrong or walk/move for too long a period of time. Overall, days are so much better now! :o)

I believe NOEL also experienced the same procedure you did. Hello, NOEL...maybe you can provide some assistance to Pritesh in India?

I wish you the best Pritesh for a healthy recovery. Keep us informed of your progress.

Aug 18, 2011
Talus fracture
by: Pritesh

Hi, guys i am from India, i fractured my left leg talus bone before 3 and half month due to car accident,i was operated next day, i have 2 screws and 1 pin in my leg. i had ORIF surgery. i was lucky to b operated by a very talented Dr. currently i am on crutches 50lbs weight bearing. and doing PT as well. i have been told that i will be on 100percent weight bearing from next month on crutches. and then after 1 month of it i will start walking normally( i.e- 5 and half month from accident) . but i am very much scared of limping. currently i have no pain at all since my surgery. my x-rays shows good recovery. i wanted to know from u guys how long it usually takes to walk normally without limp. i know healing is different for different ppl. but on an avg how long it takes?? and can i jog/ run again?? please reply

Aug 16, 2011
To Steph -
by: C.King

Elliptical Machine...that is actually a good choice when you think about it (as long as your knees are in good shape). It offers the motion you need without the impact on your ankle joint. So, it's relatively low impact on your ankle joint. :o)

When I began my treadmill I also only used it for @ 10 - 15 minutes, working up to @ 30 minutes. This was all on the easy pace and incline too. Then, the darn belt broke. It really felt good to "workout" a bit. That good feeling has a way of encouraging you to move forward.

This weekend I was working in the yard, walking as much and as far as I could. Taking breaks from the Florida heat more than for the reason of my ankle being sore. I was moving in ways I had not been able to in a long while: bending down, kneeling, squats...It felt great. Until the late evening and next day. I was sore and limping. On a positive note I remember saying to myself this weekend, look at how you are moving around. As if you had not broke your ankle! You have come a long way over the years. I was actually proud of myself! :o)I figure each time I feel good enough to over-do it, leads to the next time going a bit further. Progress!! That is a good thing!

I am considering a gym membership to use weights for my legs & core. We'll see how that goes. It's a personal goal for me. Getting back into shape (since my accident) before 50 years of age. I'll be 49 next year...so that gives me a good solid year to reach my goal! Hey, at least I can now imagine and set that goal with the true belief in myself of reaching it.

Aug 15, 2011
To C. King
by: Steph

To C. King...Hello. I discovered that I am able to use my elliptical machine. I hadn't tried it since my accident because I didn't think I had enough bend/motion in my ankle joint to use it but I do. It actually doesn't require much. Most of the movement is done by the knee. I just tried it for a very short period of time so I don't know how long I will be able to do it or how I will feel the next day but I am going to give it a try. For now, I am only going to use it 5-10 minutes at a time and build up from there.

Aug 09, 2011
To Steph -
by: C.King

Steph,

It has been @ 4 years since my break and dislocation. Yes, I still have pain and stiffness in my ankle. I also have good days...some very good days. As with this weekend, after taking 2 Aleve's and beginning yard work (I love walking more than using the golf cart, etc.). By the evening I was sore. By the next morning I was stiff and sore. However, today I am better with a little tenderness. It seems to work itself out after some rest and easier walking around. I also massage my ankle and stretch my foot. I personally feel that when I over-do it my ankle feels better to add heat. (If it was swollen I would add ice). The warmth is soothing to my ankle.

My doctor specifically told me no running...so I have been trying to figure out what type of exercise I CAN do without the risk of damaging anything in my ankle. So far I have enjoyed my pool (low impact), my treadmill (before the belt broke), and a stationery Schwinn bike. I have always been fairly active. However, since my broken ankle I have put on a few (20) extra pounds I wish to get rid of before it gets too bad. I try to watch my calorie intake and eat more smaller portions and healthy snacks during the day. It helps, but nothing beats the feeling I had before when I could be more active. If you find an aerobic routine that is low impact, I'd love to hear about it. Everything these days seems to be very aggressive and fast and hard. The more extreme the better!??? Stay in touch, keep us posted. Thanks.

Aug 09, 2011
To C. King
by: Steph

To C. King...When I am sitting or laying down, my ankle feels normal but when I walk on it, I still have some pain and stiffness. Don't get me wrong, I am much better/can do a lot more than I could a few months ago but it is still noticably uncomfortable when I walk. I guess I was hoping that I would get to the point where I would be able to forget about my injury from time to time when walking. It has been 11 months since my accident. I know everyone is different but I was wondering if you still have pain and stiffness? If not, when did it subside? Also, are you able to do any type of aerobic exercise?

I know that I addressed this to C. King but if anyone else would like to comment, please feel free. Thanks.


Aug 02, 2011
To Lindae2
by: Steph

Hi Lindae2. I fell off a ladder and broke the neck of my talus completely in half and chipped the outside of it. My surgeon used 6 pins to repair my talus. I had them in from September 2010 to March 2011. From the beginning, my surgeon planned on removing most of the pins. He was only going to leave in the ones that were deep down in. However, when I was in surgery, he decided to remove all of them. After the surgery, I had moderate pain from the incisions and because he had to dig around to get the pins that were deep down in. It also set my walking back a few weeks. I hope that helps. Best of luck.

Aug 01, 2011
To; Lindae2
by: C.King

Glad you found this site. I have been surprised since writing of my experience from the roof just how many other people have had a similar ankle injury. It seems to help considerably to know you are not alone. Welcome!

First, understand that we all heal differently... it takes time and patience to heal from this type of injury, don't give up, listen to your doctor's advice (they do know more about your injury and have the experience to back up the recomended method of treatment), don't give up hope, don't be too hard on yourself, move forward /exercise as soon as you can...Oh yeah, eat healthy (due to lack of activity) and get plenty of sleep. They say your body needs down time to help heal itself.

Personally, the 1 pin and 3 screws in my talus will remain in place forever. Unless of course they begin to back out or I have another problem down the road. I believe screws "backing out" occurs more often with more activity, but is not a guarantee. My 2nd doctor during my healing process (and it is a long "process")said she could remove the screws if they become a problem. Easy breezy she said, a simple procedure to remove them. I guess I have been fortunate...have not had to remove them. I have had friends with broken bones and screws - their screws were removed and they have since had no problems. I am certain additional x-rays can determine how strong the bone is before removing the screws. Another thought: If they aren't causing a problem or pain for you, then they probably aren't a problem. It's still your choice. :o)

I wish you luck Lindae2. Please continue to share your story of recovery with us. I have a feeling your story will help others too. Take Care.

Aug 01, 2011
Healing Very Slowly
by: Lindae2

On Jan. 2, 2011 I fell off a stepladder (I was hanging a heavy picture) and broke my talus, navicular and 4 metatarsal bones. I had to call the paramedics (I live alone) to take me to the ER. I did not have surgery until Jan. 20 as I developed a fracture blister which was huge. I have 2 screws in the talus/navicular area and plates and screws in 3 of the metatarsals. One of the broken toes could not be surgically repaired due to the blister so he let that one heal normally. I had no weight bearing until April and while I've come a long way apparently I still have a long way to go. I'm going into month 8 and felt like I would lose my mind due to inactivity. I am taking stairs and walking farther each week but it still seems like complete recovery is a long way away, if there is complete recovery. My last doctor visit he said sometimes a year after surgery they like to take the pins and screws out. I was shocked to hear that and wonder if anyone out there is pleased with their decision to have that done.

I wish I had found this forum earlier as it helped to read other's recovery stories. I felt all alone with these injuries so it's encouraging to know I'm not the only frustrated person. I love hiking and cannot wait to get back out there so I'll keep pushing forward and hope you all do too.

Jul 04, 2011
Healing
by: Dave

Definitely will be taking it easier than I would otherwise. I respect the power of the talus fracture given everything I've read about it. But I'm still going to keep walking straight, even if that hurts a bit.

So again on the theme of 'what did you do for your fracture' - it seems that bloodflow is basically *the* cause of the fracture being a bugger to heal. Firstly you can get AVN - ugly - and secondly, it just heals way slower than any other bone. Has anyone tried autologous blood transfer? I.e taking blood from another area in the body and injecting it into the bone? Anecdotally (there is limited research) this seems to work for tendons, which suffer from similarly poor blood flow.

I'd also be curious to know if anyone has ever tried autologous chondrocyte injections. Essentially this is taking some of your cartilage from one area, growing it up in a petrie dish, and implanting it into the area with damaged cartilage. Sorry, I'm a bit of a medical nerd, if not a medico.

I'm a bit skeptical of the awe with which the injury is viewed, I guess. In the last 20 years we've almost universally moved towards getting people up and moving after any type of surgery or injury, because that increases bloodflow, and that's how you heal. I don't have anything to compare with, not having fractured and immobilised another talus, but I feel like getting moving early on has been helpful for me.

To those who are still suffering after some years of the injury: is the bone still compromised at all? Or is the issue the articular cartilage?

Jul 04, 2011
To Dave
by: Noel

Wow, I fractured my talus climbing too, total bummer! My injury was misdiagnosed for a month as a sprain, once the fracture was noticed I was sent immediately into surgery. About 3 weeks after surgery my cast came off even though the bone was not even close to healed, I was then put into a walking boot. I wasn't allowed to walk on it but was instructed to take the boot off and move my ankle around as much as possible. At first there was no movement no circles and no plantar or dorsiflexion- I mean none! This was because for over 7 weeks (the 4 I was misdiagnosed and the 3 I was in a cast) my foot had not moved at all. Slowly I was able to do more and more, my surgen wanted me to continue this to get blood flowing to prevent as much AVN as possible. He did inform me that this was something "experimental" because the bone had not actually healed. My recovery has been quicker than expected (actually, I was expected not to recover fully) and things as getting better each day. Movement can definitely help heal in some cases. BUT heed the advice of your doctors, when they tell you to take it slow or restrict you, they know what they're doing, don't try to make this healing happen faster than it can. Good luck!


Jul 04, 2011
13 years of pain
by: Bill W

13 Years ago I went to inspect a home I was building. While walking down a 2x10 board leaving the home the board broke and that day changed my life forever.I fractured my talus bone and was laid up for quite some time. About 10 months after the accident my surgeon removed a piece of the talus bone that broke off because of the extreme pain that I was in.The piece of bone was the size of the top of my thumb about 3/4". I am 6'4" 250 Pounds, I try to stay active but after a 2 or 3 mile walk I am limping and in pain the next day. This enables me from getting on a steady exercise program. I also cannot stand in one place for a long period of time. At 57 years old I wonder if there is anything that could be done so I can exercise without pain.

Jul 03, 2011
Talar fracture
by: Dave

Hi all

I found this forum this morning and it's already been beneficial!

My name is Dave, I'm a rock climber and I had (I think) a type 1 fracture occur to my talus, along with dislocation, when I was climbing alone. I subsequently crawled/walked down to my car and drove myself to hospital.

I say 'I think' because I only got my diagnosis 12 weeks after the injury, which was about a week and a half ago. Prior to that, I had been rehabbing my injury aggressively - walking on a moon boot at around 3 1/2 weeks, driving at 5 weeks, climbing at 8 weeks (on a rope, without fear of striking my ankle on the ground). I've had my ankle moving as quickly as possible, and this seems to have returned positive results; it was only when we noticed that my plantarflexion and lateral flexion were not improving, despite two weeks spent trying to tear through 'scar tissue', that the decision was made to get an MRI.

In the last week and a half I've noticed some differences in the way the ankle feels, and I've realised on reading your stories just how much difference the diagnosis has made. Yes, it's given me some surety, but I almost immediately started walking more carefully, and this has translated very quickly into sore hips and knees. Avascular necrosis is a big, scary term and I started thinking 'what if I do some more damage - what if my ankle collapses?!'

I can't really compare my injury to many of yours - each of you have suffered some very significant damage. And your breaks have been all the way through, and often multiple - and it's critical to bone that it's touching in order to merge.

I do wonder - is all the immobilisation really a good thing? The best advice I've read here is to stand straight and walk normally. Even just putting that (back) in operation this morning, I feel more normal. It hurts, yes, but that didn't bother me before I knew it was broken, and my ankle hasn't collapsed so far. Yet for the last week and a half, I've been walking around like I'm on eggshells.

Has anyone done any research into outcomes based on various treatment methods for this injury? There seems to be a standard treatment method - immobilisation for a certain period, careful increases in loading etc - but what are the outcomes for more aggressive treatment?

Has anyone been taking condroitin or glucosamine for their cartilage damage, and has this been positive? Are there any randomised controlled trials on this - surely there must be? I want to be analytical about this injury, and pay attention to what matters, not get scared off by a bit of pain.


Jun 29, 2011
To Sgt. Gonzalez
by: C.King

So sorry to hear of how much pain you are in. I noticed your first comment was dated Jan 2011. Have you asked your doctor if the pain can subside over time? My first year was very painful. I went from walker - 2 crutches - 1 crutch - cain - good supportive shoes... I remember catching myself on furniture and hobbling around because of the pain was so bad. I wondered if I would always be in pain and limp.

Don't fool yourself. An injury of this severity DOES take considerable time to heal. A year and longer. I'm not sure how your initial surgery went or how you have healed or the strength of your ankle bone...I pray that you will continue to see those small improvements.

I can still step wrong now and be in pain, plus my foot feels cold a lot of the time. Although, I do have more good days than not. My doctor said a 2nd surgery could be necessary...fusion also happens in these types of injuries. I researched a fusion proceedure and mentioned it in a previous message. The woman seems to be doing better as far as the PAIN itself. However, she lost her range of motion. So what do you do? You weigh the options, learn about fusions and the success rates and the reality of future activities. Then, you take it from there.

You seem to be a strong person to me. As you said, "It is what it is." Tough words. I wish your healing experience was better. I wonder how long my talus will last over these next years of activity too. Will I be facing a fusion down the road? Does a repaired, pinned, and screwed ankle bone last into my senior years?

Please keep us updated on your progress. I wish you the best. Cathy

Jun 29, 2011
Recovery going south
by: Sgt.Gonzalez

Hey, Hi thank you for asking how am I doing. Well my recovery has been one of disapointment and sadness. I have always been super active aroound my home ect.. I have tremendous pain on the ankle area and can no longer do the painting, cutting grass ect.. I really do not walk to far w/o my cane, because of the pain. The doctor thinks an ankle fusion would alevaiate the pain. I wish I had better news but it what it is and I pray to god that I can can get some comfort what ever it may be.... God bless and hope a good recovery to you.

Jun 27, 2011
To Gary
by: C.King

You do sound positive! While I was on crutches, I recall people asking me to tell them how I broke my ankle. It's not too often you see a 40-something year old woman on a walker or crutches. As I would have loved to have made up some crazy, adventerous story like sky diving, moutain climbing, or something like that...I figured the real story was just as crazy! Go figure, I saved my husband's life and he took a few tylenol for his pain! (He also took a lot of ribbing from his buddies about breaking his wife's ankle. Boy, did he feel bad about it.) A lot of people also said "WHAT!" and what happened to him? Boy, if that is not love...throwing yourself into the path of a falling man from the roof. He should be waiting on you hand and "foot"...And, the funny stories still continue today. Thank goodness I can laugh about it now. However, in the beginning I was not laughing so much or so loud. :o)

While telling people my story I did run into some men who broke BOTH their ankles too. I could not imagine the pain or the not being able to walk or support yourself with at least one good leg/ankle. The good news is that they were walking again (still have pain on rainy days, even after years after the recovery.) I told them that "they" were my inspiration...as much as they couldn't believe how I broke my ankle.

Gary, you will get through this. :o) I would like to hear more from other people in the group too. St. Gonzalez where are you and how are you healing these days? Also, have not heard anymore from Amanda regarding her fiance. I pray you all are healing and if you have had to have more surgeries - I hope it is for the best.

Do not allow this type of injury to control you, your life, or your activities. Do not allow this injury to cause depression. Stay positive! You all will heal. Look to the future and to a better place that lies ahead. You will reach that place. You will!

Best wishes!

Jun 25, 2011
To C. King
by: Gary

Thanks for your helpful and supportive comments. I think i,ve been a little bit in denial since my accident, the doctors told me that it would be a long recovery process with possible further operations and that a complete recovery wouldn,t happen but i chose to believe that he was preparing for a senario that probably wouldn,t happen and have been telling friends and family that i,d be up and about in no time, after reading comments on here and other forums i now have a more realistic outlook. I,m a naturally positive person and although i now realise the gravity af my injury i also take encouragement from how others have dealt with and are recovering from their injuries. I was self employed before and will most likely now have to find a new career (45 is a little too young to retire doh!!) but i have plenty of time on my hands to come up with a new business. From reading your (C. King) story i can,t help but notice the humour and the irony in the fact that it was your husband who initiated the fall and yet he escaped virtually scott free, i am sure that now you are well on your way to recovery this has been brought to his attenion many times especially when among friends . I will keep in touch with this forum and will post more comments as i progress while watching how others are coping.

Jun 24, 2011
Hello Newbie, Gary
by: C.King

cont.

Check into the others comments and check to receive email notices for updates/notes. We have all experienced the same pain and can share our advice and compare healing times. It happens in sections and on levels for each of us. It helps to know that you are not alone. The body is amazing and it does heal.

Your life has been changed from this point forward. However, your life and activities can still be bright. Keep a good attitude and keep absorbing knowledge! You will move forward and end up better off. Best wishes for a heathy and speedy recovery. Cathy

Jun 24, 2011
Hello Newbie, Gary
by: C.King

Gary, so sorry to hear about your fall and to hear you broke BOTH YOUR ANKLES. We have similar causes for our injuries and we are close in age too. So, if activity levels and age have anything to do with healing...you aren't doing so bad by comparisons. :o)

You are correct that Knowledge is Power! When I first posted my story I never dreamed so many people would be following it and making posts so often. I am thrilled that this particular post has been so helpful to so many, from so many places in the USA and now Northern Ireland. Welcome to the group!

My first words of advice is to remain positive and take your personal healing process one-step (no pun intended)at a time. We would all agree that we each heal differently and at different rates of speed. It has been over 3 years now and I am able to walk almost completely normal. Although, I still have days that I over-do it and I feel it afterwards.(Congrats to Steph for her efforts and continued PT, and movement. You are doing wonderfully! Keep up the great work!) I will tell you that my doctor said I could not run due to my injury, unless it was life or death. (I assume she was concerned about a re-injury.) It does take a very long time to heal from this type of injury. I would believe that if your healing process is good, and you do not have additional surgeries (causing more scar tissue) you should be able to return to some form of golfing. But remember, I said a long time to heal. I would not expect good "walking form" in the first year. Not to say you cannot walk...it's just very guarded. Also, I would not recommend walking the entire course on your 1st effort. The cart will be your best friend for many rounds. In addition, as my husband is also a golfer, do not allow your golf buddies to give you a difficult time about endurance. ha,ha! Look what you have already been through.

Please, please do what your doctors tell you especially in the first 3-6 months of healing. Your body is doing double time: recouping from the injury itself and recovering from the shock of the injury. Everything is trying to reconnect again. Eat a good diet and get plenty of good sleep - if that is possible at first. I remember sleeping in my air-boot and keeping my ankle elevated, while trying to sleep. Not easy. (Plus, my room was upstairs...that is another story.)

In the beginning TLC is the main key. Ice helps too. My doctor also recommended a supplement to help my bone heal. Patience is also a huge component to the emotional side of healing.


Jun 24, 2011
Newbie
by: Gary

Hi,My name is Gary Rodgers 45yrs from Northern Ireland, i,ve just found thi forum and found all the comments really helpful, I broke both ankles 4 weeks ago after a fall from a ladder, my left ankle seems ok and has a couple of screws in it and a cast which will be removed in three weeks, the talus is ok on my left, the talus was broken badly on my right, don,t know how many pieces ( i didn,t ask the consultant enough questions but will ask many when i return ) there are 4 screws in my right ankle, i,ve an external fixator on my right with six external pins. I have to keep the ex fixator for three months to see how the talus heals and how or if the blood supply returns, the consultant keeps preparing me for the possible need of further operations or fusion. I was a keen golfer before the accident has anyone any ideas what the future might hold for golf , i don,t mind if i play bad golf as long as i can play. My wife tells me i should,nt research my injury on the internet in case it upsets me but i think knowledge is power.

Jun 22, 2011
From: Steph
by: To: Noel

My surgeon said my 9 month xray looked good/completely healed but there was a little athritis in one spot. The MRI was just to make sure there was no sign of AVN. The good news is that there is currently no evidence of AVN. He said AVN usually presents within the 1st year after the injury. Therefore, you are less likey to get it as time goes by. Unfortunately, the MRI did show a lot of previous injury...areas of incomplete healing, cracks and cysts...which is normal with the severity of my injury. That means my ankle joint will probably not last my lifetime...maybe another 10-20 years...but I will deal with that if and when the time comes.

I have had a couple of really good days yesterday and today with minimal pain. My husband even commented on how good I was walking...no limp. I even walked around Sam's Club and Home Depot. I hope it continues :)






Jun 21, 2011
To Steph
by: Noel

Honestly, I haven't done anything spectacular. My friends have prayed over me, and I've just been taking it day by day. I walk a lot and do physical therapy at home. My talus has pretty much healed completely (MIRACLE) so now I'm working on getting the joint to move. I do calf stretches (doesn't really stretch my calf because the joint doesn't move far enough yet) and I do bent knee calf stretches, and I do a lot of circular rotations and ABC's with my ankle. I also started going down stairs like C.King suggested. This streches my foot in ways that really help BUT I am very careful and always make sure I'm holding on to the railing. Have you gotten your MRI results? What was your prognosis on recovery? Don't worry if it's not good, they told me I'd have to use a cane my whole life and they were wrong!

Jun 21, 2011
To Noel
by: Steph

Hi Noel...Way to go! It sounds like you have made an amazing recovery! What have you done to make such progress since your last post? Do you still have to go back to the doctor for check ups or to therapy?

Jun 21, 2011
To Anonymous
by: Noel

That's awful! Is the bone healing at all? Are you still in the boot? I've heard of people recovering after a couple of years so don't lose hope! It was a miracle that I was healed, literally a miracle! They told me I wouldn't walk without the use of a can, that I would have severe arthritis, and that I wouldn't be able to do nursing as a career because of my diability. They were SO wrong, it's been a little over 5 months since my ORIF surgery and I am walking without a cane and almost no limp. The pain is very minimal and I'm going to nursing school in August. Don't lose hope, miracles do happen!

Jun 20, 2011
To: Anonymous Re: Pain
by: Steph

Hi! I was just reading your post. Can you explain the OATS procedure and why you had to have it done? Did your injury occur in Oct. 2010 and was OATS your first procedure? Will you go for a second opinion before you get the fusion?

On Sept.11, 2010. I broke my talar neck in half and chipped the edges of my talus. I had ORIF surgery and 6 pins were inserted. I had a second surgery on March 2, 2011 to have the pins removed. It has been 9 months since my injury and I walk with a slight limp. I can walk moderate distances and go up steps almst normally but I still have to go down steps one at a time. Most of my pain occurs when I am walking and is on the outside of my foot between my ankle and the arch. I have minor swelling all the time but I can wear a tennis shoe comfortably. I also have stiffness in the mornings and after I have been inactive for any length of time.

Good luck and I hope you feel better soon!


Jun 19, 2011
Pain
by: Anonymous

Well I had the O.A.T.S procedure done in Oct 2010 for the talus frcture.I'm still in a lot of pain. I hobble because of the pain. At times I try my hardest to walk or stand w/out the boot. I pay for it at night when I sleep, or the next day in my attempt to walk. My ankle is swollen all the time some night after a long day and PT. It looks like a watermelon. I'm not recovering well hope some of you are......... My doctor is saying FUSION............

Jun 18, 2011
Update
by: Steph

Hello all! I just had my 9 month appointment and the xrays looked good but my surgeon sent me for an MRI yesterday just to be safe and make sure there is no evidence of AVN/bone collapse. He says the MRI will show AVN/bone collapse at its earliest stage vs. an xray that that looks fine until the bone actually collapses. Who knew an MRI would take so long and be so uncomfortable! Have any of you had an MRI of your talus? If so, how long after your injury did you get it and what did it show? Also, what have you been told about your long term prognosis...will the ankle joint last for your lifetime? Thanks in advance for your feedback. I will post my MRI results soon.

May 16, 2011
To: Steph
by: C.King

Walking down stairs: At first, I would step down with my injured ankle and "baby-step" with my good foot on the same step. (ONE STEP at a time.) Gradually, I would use my injured ankle with 1/2 my foot off the step. I recall leading with my injured ankle first and holding the rails and the walls. Especially, when I took my first steps to the next down-step with my good foot. (EACH STEP walking down.)

You basically need to be aware of how you walk. Go slowly. Eventually you build your confidence and your strength in your injured ankle. Bend at the knee more until you gain more movement in your injured ankle area. As you increase movement, you can place more and more of your foot on the entire step. I started off with 1/2 my foot hanging over the edge of the step /using my knee to compensate how I could not move (bend) my ankle. Gradually, I moved my foot back on the step. You'll feel the difference as you increase the amount of foot surface that touches and supports you on the each step. You'll notice the ability for range of motion increase slowly too.

The good news is over time you will see improvement! :o) It was always easier to support yourself UP the stairs than DOWN the stairs. Keep stretching and PT. It helps. :o) It takes TIME...Before you know it you'll be able to master those darn stairs. It's good to practice.

May 14, 2011
To C. King
by: Steph

Good morning and thanks again for all of the information and encouragement. I am so glad to find someone whose experiences are so similar to mine and who has such a great attitude.

When I go down steps, I start down with my bad foot (the foot of my injured ankle). Once it is on the next step down, I bring my other foot down to the same step...one step at a time. When you talk about starting with your foot partially off the step, is that your bad foot or your other one? Once that foot is on the next step, did you bring your other foot down to meet it or go to the next step.

My last appointment with my surgeon was in March and my next one is in June. Up until March I was going every 4-6 weeks so three months feels like forever. I am anxious to see what he thinks of my progress and hoping and praying that the bone still looks healthy on the xrays. I will post an update comment after my appointment

May 13, 2011
To Steph -
by: C.King

I still can have a slight limp and tend to walk a bit crooked on my right ankle. I limp more when my ankle is sore and some days I do not limp at all. Stiffness and cold weather will affect your ankle. I would say this has improved within the last year (3rd year). Beleive me, I thought I would never walk correctly again...but your condition changes and you do improve & get better!

As far as steps go...that took quite a while to master (to appear normal). I too could walk up easier than down the steps. This is due to the lack of range of motion and being able to support my weight with the weak / broken ankle. However, I learned to trick my foot for the lack of motion in the beginning by placing my foot 1/2 way off the step (using the heel of my foot mostly for support). I held onto the rail and walls a lot! I found I could bend my knee further at the angle I required than the angle of my ankle. Eventually, the range of motion and angle in my ankle improved. :o)

I was careful and gradually brought the part of my foot hanging over the step closer in to the whole step...Eventually, I was able to place my entire foot on the step (still walked down clumb-like), but I used most of the bending through my knee. It takes time and more strength in your ankle to walk more normal.

Keep working at it. You'll get there. Start with 1/2 the step and work back to the full step. I called it cheating...But, I recall being so excited to "look" as if I could walk down the stairs without a limp or strange hip movement - more "normal".

It's the little improvements that you learn to overcome that will bring the most excitement and the desire to keep going!

Time and patience!!! Good luck...

May 07, 2011
To C. King
by: Steph

I agree...our healing and aches and pains do sound very similar.

Thanks for the shoe info.

I know what you mean about uneven ground. I have a gravel driveway and it was scary and sometimes painful to walk on it earlier on but it is getting a little easier now. I also have much better up and down motion than side to side. We have been working on that in physical therapy. They have me hold my leg and move my foot in circles both ways and we are doing strenthening exercises with a Theraband.

How long did it take for your limp to go away? Also, How are you with steps? I can go up them normally but I have to go down them one at a time leading with my bad foot.

Thanks for your encouragement.

May 06, 2011
To Noel
by: Steph

I had some scar tissue on the top of my foot where two of my pins were and my physical therapist told me to put some lotion on it and gently rub back and forth to break up the scar tissue.

I know you are in a boot but are you using crutches? I was in a hard cast for almost 3 months before I transitioned to a boot. My doctor would not let me try to walk in the boot until I went to my first physical therapy appointment. At therapy, they applied moist heat to loosen up my ankle and foot. Then they had me do various stretches and exercises. At the end of my appointment, they iced it to take down the swelling. As far as walking, my therapist started me walking on crutches, then one crutch, then a cane, then unassisted (all in the boot). It took about 3 more months. Since the boot was so much higher than my shoe, it helped me to put an insert in my shoe.

I had some pain when I started walking but it would subside when I elevated it. If you are hurting badly all the time, you could always give your doctor a call and see what he or she says.

I apply heat to loosen up my ankle and foot. I elevate it and apply ice to relieve pain and swelling. Also, I occasionally take ibuprofen as a pain reliever and anti-inflammatory.


May 04, 2011
Heels :)
by: Noel

C. King- I love that you are able to wear wedges, I love heels and hope one day to at least be able to wear wedges too!

Do you guys know if trying to massage out scarred tissue around the ankle will help? I just started walking, more like hobbling, but I want to regain as much range of motion as possible.

Also, I am now in a lot more pain, even when trying to sleep, I don't usually take any medicine but I'm probably going to start taking advil, anything else that would help? Hot water maybe? I haven't seen my PT yet, I go in one week so I'm sure they'll give me more info but until then I'm hurting bad but trying to push through!

Thank you for these posts, they are very encouraging!

May 04, 2011
To Steph -
by: C.King

Sounds as if we're healing and aching about the same through the course of our injury :o) That is a good sign.

As far as recommending good shoes, everyone’s feet are different. But for me I personally like Rika tennis shoes, Merrell, Bear Traps, and Crocks & Clarks. Now remember I had to adjust to these shoes as my healing increased and some days I could wear one pair but not the other.

My very first pair of normal shoes was a pair of great ankle/hiking boots. I had to remove the insert from the right shoe to adjust for the swelling (I wore thicker socks instead). I also made sure I could open the boot all the way to be able to place my foot into the boot, not shove or push my foot into it. The boots felt strange at first, but eventually they were the only pair of shoes I could wear while trying to strengthen my ankle. They did not lace up. They had straps instead. During the day if they became tight, I simply unstrapped a strap or two.

I wore the tennis shoes later because of the swelling and trying to “push” my foot into the shoe was very uncomfortable. In the beginning I stayed with flat, open toe sandal types of shoes. A strap around my ankle provided me with the feeling of support I needed compared to having no strap or support around my ankle. Plus, it built my self-confidence up too. Nothing too high at first because my ankle did not feel strong enough to handle the wiggle you can get while wearing a heel. Still I do not wear a heel, but rather a wedge to give full under-foot support. I’ve managed to work up to @ a 2” wedge Bear Trap(without ankle straps) - which is remarkable because my doctor did not think I would be able to any type of heel again. It’s a matter of PT and re-training your foot/ankle. Slow training and patience is the key.

I bought a pair of Merrell flat, open toed sandals. Although they had good arch support and they felt comfortable I had to buy a ½ size bigger (from a 7.5 – 8.0). I also got straps to be able to adjust as throughout the day as my ankle/foot would swell. Eventually, I did not need to adjust the straps.

My biggest concern as I began to walk more was finding even ground. Walking on rocks (even small rocks at first) was scary because my ankle could move better up and down, not side to side (I lost much of the side-to-side motion). If I caught the side of a rock or hole or dip in the ground, it threw me off a lot. The last thing I wanted to do was twist my healing ankle. Now, I can walk pretty darn good on uneven ground!

I am wearing my Clarks now. But earlier I don't think they would have been comfortable (probably because I walked on the outside of my foot more and my foot tend to turn in slightly). So, don't get rid of your Clarks just yet. Hold onto them as a symbol of encouragment. :o)

May 03, 2011
To C. King
by: Steph

The cortisone shots were for my plantar fascia pain which at times has been worse than my ankle pain. Since I have started walking again, most of my pain was in the plantar fascia, the outside of my foot and around the ankle. I have found that if I walk slow and take small strides, I have less pain. I also try to focus on walking properly and my posture.

Can you recommend any good shoes? So far I have been wearing Asics running shoes most of the time. Occasionally, I will wear Nike slides around the house. I also tried to wear Clarks Clogs with no heel but that was a big mistake. My foot and ankle swelled up really big above the top of the shoe. I have never noticed a wear pattern on my shoes but I will look at them more closely.

I am just starting to see my ankle bones again. For the longest time, I wondered if they were still there in their prior form. I thought maybe the injury and surgery had drastically changed their appearance.

I also lost a good bit of weight after my accident but I have gained most of it back over the last 7 1/2 months and now I weigh just a little less than before the accident. I am going to talk to my physical therapist about an exercise plan and I would like to change my diet at some point. I also have pain in my lower back.

This injury has taught me some much needed patience. I don't sweat the small stuff as much as I used to. I really appreciate your posts. It really helps to hear from someone who has been through this injury.





May 03, 2011
To Steph -
by: C.King

Curious…did you get the cortisone shots because of the plantar fascia or because of the pain in your ankle? Also, I personally experienced pain in different areas of my ankle and foot depending on the level of healing I was experiencing at the time. Your swelling issues sound very similar to my own at the same stage. Sometimes the pain was felt in the heel, sometimes on the top of my foot, sometimes to the side…

I think investing in a good pair of shoes with the proper support is a must, especially while you are still healing. Before the accident, my normal walk pattern indicated that I would walk a bit on the outside of my feet (shown in the wear of my shoes). This and the fact that the muscle along the outside of your foot is one of the smallest to strengthen - I noticed at first that my foot would turn in. Have faith that with constant awareness to correct this and walking each day will eventually help that turning in. I still have a bit of that today. But then again my normal walk is on the outside of my feet. :o) Check the wear of your shoes to determine your own personal/normal walk pattern.

As far as swelling goes I still to this day remember when I could actually see my ankle bone appear. I thought I would never see it again due to the puffiness and swelling. Then, the swelling goes away and surprise a rather normal looking ankle bone appears once again. It is not perfect, nor does it match the left ankle - but it is there. I recognized those small achievements as proof that I was healing and I moved forward!

I still have days when I need to stop and rest. But, as time goes on I find that I am able to achieve more and more of my normal activities. And…sometimes I even think I might like to run again. (My doctors tell me no running. So I listen to them.) My point is that I know I have come a long way in healing and you can too! It takes time and patience and a desire to get healthy again. Your entire body goes through changes because of this injury. I lost @20 lbs., gained it back, and now have @20 lbs. more than my regular weight - All that in four years of less activity and ability to move. My right hip is sore and at times my back aches. But, I focus on my “get-to-place”. Where I want to get to in one month, six months, the end of the year…I keep pushing on. So far it seems to have worked for me! I wish you all the best.

May 02, 2011
Pain
by: Steph

It has been approx. 7 1/2 months since my injury and I am wearing my tennis shoes and walking without crutches the majority of the time. I do have swelling and some pain daily. My entire upper foot and ankle swells but the worst of the swelling is just above my tennis shoe. As far as pain goes, I try to listen to my ankle and when it tells me "that's enough", I ice the area where it hurts, elevate it and occasionally take ibuprofen. These things along with a good nights sleep really seem to help. I have learned to try not to over do it.

Unfortunatelly, I haven't been to therapy for over a month because I went back to work and it was just too much for me to work all day and then go straight to therapy but I'm planning on going back to therapy this week. Walking has improved my range of motion some but I am hoping that more therapy will make it even better. My therapist is also great at making sure I am walking properly and not compensating for my injury in some way.

I previously mentioned that I was having a lot of pain in my plantar fascia. It still bothers me a little bit but it has improved a lot. I got two cortisone shots and sleep in a night splint. I'm sure the shots helped but I really think the night splint is what did the trick. My foot doctor is also considering making me new inserts for my shoes because if I don't get the proper support, my foot could start to turn in. My old inserts for my plantar fascia were never comfortable but now they are unbearable since my injury.

Finally, I am having some pain on the outside of my foot which is new. Does anyone have any idea what it might be from? I know that pain from the injury is to be expected but I really think a lot of the pains in my foot are from not moving it for months.

Thanks to everyone for their posts. Please keep posting updates.






Apr 29, 2011
Noel
by: C.King

If you ever doubt or become more concerned about the pain you are experiencing, please speak with your doctors. They can verify what pain is normal based on your stage of healing.

It sounds as if you are doing just fine! That is great news! Personally, I am not one to take medication if I don't really need it. However, if you DO need to take medication don't think of as a set-back. Your body can sometimes heal better if the pain subsides.

Best wishes!

Apr 29, 2011
Thank you C. King!
by: Noel

You are such an encouragement! My pain is tolerable and I don't have to take any meds (so far), I'm trying to push through it, I just want to make sure I'm not over doing it :) Good to know the pain is normal and I should keep going!

Apr 29, 2011
To Noel:
by: C.King

continued:

More recently I have had some crazy cramps in my legs when I try to stretch my leg and ankle. It can wake me up at night too. Whew!! Charlie-horse pain. (Pickle juice will help the cramping of muscles. Drink it because it does work.) I suppose that could be considered a good sign, because I am using those muscles that I haven’t been able to use before. Progress is what I call it. I expect to continue my own personal improvement each day. Some days I don’t even think about it. That is the place you need to think about. The place and time you are at your most healed. You will reach that place. Keep moving forward and give yourself the time your body needs. There may be pain along the way, but it is part of the healing.

Apr 29, 2011
To Noel:
by: C.King

My pain levels were different than I expected as compared to others. Some people told me that I would really feel the pain when I took my first steps. I do recall the rush-of-blood pain when I stood up for the first couple of times. I had to stand still and take a deep breath. At the time, I was not allowed to put any weight on my ankle.

Then, there was the finally-I-can-put-weight-on-my-ankle pain. It was different for me. I half expected a sharp shooting pain, but that did not occur. Thank goodness! I was also taking Percocet for the pain. I was also in the middle of PT. I would need the use of ice packs for the swelling and have to put my ankle up a lot!

I would limp, even in a walker boot. I suppose it was the fact I still had atrophy in my leg muscle and it takes another while to build your strength back up. At the time, I felt as if I may always have a limp (better than the alternative from a fall off the roof).

I did progress from not weight, using a walker with a 90 degree boot to a pair of crutches, to using one crutch (that is fun and weird at the same time) with an air-boot, to a cane and air-boot, to a good pair of real shoes with excellent ankle support (still limping), to a good pair of arch support flat shoes/sandals, to working myself back to a real, everyday pair of tennis shoes/flats/wedges. It has been a gradual improvement based on my own self-confidence and ankle strength. Believe it or not, my most comfortable shoes for the longest time were Crocks. The cushion and ankle strap were really good. Plus, if I ever needed to wrap a swollen ankle I could still wear the crocks!

Each level of healing will amaze you. I remembered thinking what I wanted to do today was eventually seen within 2-weeks or month down the road. I kept looking back at my progress to remind myself how far I was really moving forward. That was a good feeling. “Better today than yesterday, but not as great as tomorrow!”

Even as recent as last year I could only walk around (outside, up and down stairs, distances) just so far at a time. Even though I personally wanted to accomplish more, my ankle said “no more” and I would have to stop, rest, and put my ankle up. There were days to even step down on my ankle was so painful (after over-doing my activity and in the mornings) that it would momentarily take my breath away. I would limp and take baby-steps. But today, I can do more, go further, and last longer without so much pain. It still gets stiff from time-to-time until I loosen up the area. I exercise and stretch and I keep moving forward.



Apr 29, 2011
Pain???
by: Noel

As of Tuesday my talus has shown huge amounts of healing and my doctor told me to start walking. I am using a walking boot and can take very short strides. I have pain in my foot when putting weight on it, is this normal? I'm assuming so but I'm freaking out because I was misdiagnosed with a sprain for month prior to them seeing the fracture and they had recommended me to walk on it then, it sort of feels like that now but there is minimal swelling compared to before.

Did you guys have lots of pain when walking at first?

Mar 31, 2011
To C King and Noel
by: Steph

C King...Thanks for responding. Our treatment plans sounds very similiar. I will keep you posted on my progress.

To Noel...Thanks for responding. So was your fracture in the tibia vs the talus? I have not went for a second opinion but if you have any concerns, you might want to get one just to put your mind at ease. If you decide that you want to get a second opinion, I would start by calling your insurance company to make sure it will be covered. Maybe they can also recommend another physician.

Mar 31, 2011
To Steph -
by: C.King

Regarding the verification of a healthy bone:
My doctor took x-rays about every 3-4 weeks. She was looking for the bone to show her the blood supply was returning.

The indication of that was seen on the x-rays and appeared in the bone as a more white-ish area. I could not put any weight on it as it was healing. Once she determined the blood supply was returned she allowed me to begin placing weight on my leg and ankle. Later x-rays also determined that my leg had a common occurance called muscle atrophy -The bone in my leg also showed less strength. (All common due to this type of injury) The more I used it and stregthened it (PT and home exercises) the better the bone looked - the whiter it appeared in x-rays. I was also taking additional calcium and vitiman D to help my body absorb the calcium better.

Hope this helps you. I hope your body heals well.

Mar 31, 2011
To Steph
by: Noel

Yes, mine was dispaced, the entire articular tibial surface broke off and flipped 180 degrees upside down. They said it was pretty crazy and have no idea how it flipped. I was referred to an orthopedic surgeon as soon as they realized it had been misdiagnosed.

I have Kaiser insurance but many people have told me to get second opinions, I'm not really sure if that's necessary and if so, how to go about that. My surgeon thinks I should start bearing weight on it in four weeks. The first sign of healing was Friday, two months after the surgery. What do you guys think, any of you have second opinions?

Mar 30, 2011
Thanks everyone!
by: Steph

Thanks to C. King, Stephen and Noel for all of your comments.

To C. King...Do you know how your doctor determined that there was a problem with the blood supply to your talus and how they restored it? My surgeon has taken xrays every four to six weeks since my accident and I have also had a CT scan. He is going to continue to monitor the bone for any changes until Sept of this year.

To Noel...Each talus fracture is different. What part of your talus did your break? I broke the neck in half. Was yours displaced? Mine was. What type of doctor did you see? I saw an orthopeadic trauma surgeon at a major Pittsburgh hospital.




Mar 30, 2011
Slow down
by: Anonymous

Noel
I am 20 + yrs into this and it has not always been this good!! But I had to come to terms with a slowing down of everything, and some things I just can't do, like run down a beach with my kids, I don't know how bad yours is, our anyone else but each person will have to learn what they can and can't do! My reason for posting is to let you guys know it does get better, but it takes a long time, so find new a interest, that you can do with ease, it's 7;30 pm here now and I have been working since 8;30 am standing 90% of the time! And I will have a more than normal swollen ankle to night.
I do think diet and some form of exercise are very important! Which I did not always put effort into, but now I do see the benifit of it!
Cheers
Stephen

Mar 30, 2011
Thanks guys!
by: Noel

I too had ORIF, but a month after the injury because I was misdiagnosed with a sprain. I haven't even started therapy yet because the bone hasn't healed, my doctor put me in a hard cast for a month and a half and now I'm in a walking boot but cannot walk on it (I'm on crutches). He wants me to take my foot out and move the joint as much as possible to get more blood flow to prevent AVN. I'm unsure why my doctor voiced such concern for the lack of movement before I have even started therapy, I guess that's what led to me be so scared! Thanks for all the comments and encouragement, it's true I need to be thankful for what I've got and not worry about the time it takes.

I don't know much about hardware, I have a bioabsorbable pin which will eventually be replaced by bone (hopefully!). I have some sharp pain but only after I move the joint for a bit.

Stephen- So good to hear you're hiking and getting out there, I have hopes to do all my outdoors stuff again!

Mar 30, 2011
To Anonymous (2):
by: C.King

cont.

I imagine if your screws and pins have been removed it forces your own bone to support your body. I would think that could cause some pain to an area that is weaker and more sensitive. My doctor was concerned in the beginning regarding my talus bone being healthy. If the blood supply had not been restored, the bone would have died and crumbled. I was instructed to increase my calcium intake to help my body repair and strengthen itself. Also, I understood that the bone becomes weak because I had not been able to place any weight on it. Gradually, the weight bearing was increased. X-rays confirmed the bone was healing and becoming stronger. PT helps to strengthen your bones and muscles.
Some people suffer a terrible injury and they are not able to heal right…the damage is not reversible. Additional surgeries may be required. I did not have an ORIF or a second surgery. Thank God. I truly believe that as patients, we should learn as much as we can about our specific injury, ask questions, learn as much as possible, and discover what CAN be done in order to get the best possible outcome.
We also need to be a best friend to ourselves! Don’t be so hard on ourselves…give ourselves the time needed to heal properly. Stay focused on the healing process. I wanted to heal faster too. I wanted to get back to my ‘normal’ life. I wanted a quick fix. Unfortunately, this type of injury does not heal that quickly. It will force you to become more patient and teach you to appreciate t-i-m-e. I tried to remind myself that time is not a bad thing. I was thankful that our lives were spared after the fall from the roof and that the damage was not more severe.
I do wish you the best! Focus on becoming healthy again (Eat right. Exercise right. Medicate right.) Be good to yourself. Listen to your doctors. Ask questions. Please keep me posted on your progress. Thank you for sharing your experience with us. Finding support through others is another step of the healing process.

Mar 30, 2011
To Anonymous:
by: C.King

I am sorry you have had such a traumatic injury to your ankle. It is just that: TRAUMATIC. When I injured my ankle I was told my surgery was required ASAP to prevent further damage and to prevent any further lack of oxygen to my dislocated ankle (talus bone). Of course, I believe my surgeon was not aware of the complete extent of damage until he was undergoing my surgical procedure. In my case, he managed to relocate my ankle (restoring the blood flow to my talus) and placed one pin (which broke off in the talus bone during surgery) and 3 screws to stabilize my ankle. My doctor was not worried about the pin breaking off inside the bone because he said I would always have it. He recommended that it never be removed. (I still have all my hardware.)

I reviewed your particular procedure a discovered that an ORIF is usually done when the fracture is large, and when nerves and blood vessels are also damaged. It may also be done when fractured bones are not in their normal positions or are broken into several pieces. Not to under-mind my own ankle injury, but it sounds as if your talus was fractured in more pieces than mine. The fragments in my ankle were removed if possible, but I think some remained – focusing on the larger break of my talus.

Also, this article stated that in ORIF of a talar fracture, your caregiver may use wires, screws, plates, and pins to align the broken bones. These special tools are used to hold the pieces of bones together while they heal. Your caregiver may also place new bone into spaces between or around the fracture. After surgery, you will need to have a cast or splint that covers your lower leg, ankle, and foot. Physical activities will need to be avoided for some time until your bone heals completely. It may take months to get full function and motion of your leg, ankle, and foot after this surgery.

To some degree, it does sound promising! However, I personally want to remind you of the TRAUMA again. Your body needs time to heal. There was major damage done to your ankle. You are only about 7-8 months out. I had pain and swelling on a daily basis for 2-3 years after my injury. I still have limitations to my activity to this day. But, it’s getting better - I do see progress. Every part inside your ankle and leg must heal and become strong again.





Mar 30, 2011
To Stephen & Noel
by: Anonymous

My original comments were titled "to Noel" and to "C. King".

Stephen...Thanks for your comments. If the pain doesn't subside in the next couple of weeks, I will go back to the doctor for another xray. I was feeling great 2 weeks ago and I think I over did it. Too much walking (without crutches) too soon and I have been paying for it ever since. Also, last week my physical therapist stretched my upward motion more than she normally does which seemed to add a new pain. Since then, I have continued walking but I have been using crutches most of the time. I also think that the removal of the hardware has allowed my ankle and foot to move more and in ways that they haven't moved in 6 1/2 months so maybe that is causing me some pain that I didn't have before.

Can anyone comment on their pain at this stage?

For Noel...Here are my range of motion values from my last physical therapy evaluation:

dorsiflex 4 degrees
plantar flex 43 degrees
inversion 3 degrees
eversion 10 degrees

This evaluation was done on 2/16/11 and I know my range of motion has improved even more since I got my pins out on 3/2/11. I feel that doing exactly what doctor says and physical therapy are extremely important. I wasn't allowed to do anything for the first 3 months which was why he put me in the hard casts. Once I transitioned to the boot, I was only allowed to take it off for bathing and physical therapy for two months.

Mar 30, 2011
Movement and pain
by: Anonymous

Hi
Stephen here, I dont think it's normal to have more pain after removel of hardware! But I remember been over sensitive after any work done to the area! But I did not feel more pain!!
As for movement of the joint to( Noel?) I feel you need more physio! But you said it happened in January it's very early to expect results of movement! If the break was not to bad physio should help! But I have only 5% movement 20yrs later! But I can walk!
I have been training a lot as of late, and just this week I damaged the knee of my Good leg :) so I have to lay off training a few weeks! But in the past 2-3 weeks I have climbed a number of mountains with a total of 10,000 mtrs approx!! It was getting easier for me as my weight had droped and I had less swelling in the joint, the walking poles realy helped also! I talked with a expert on walking poles and he said that a over a 6 hour hike the poles will take the equivalent of 15 tons of the knees!!! On a average person??

Mar 30, 2011
Questions for C King
by: Anonymous

I was wondering if you had open reduction and internal fixation surgery to repair your talus fracture and if so did you have the hard removed in a second surgery? I am asking because I was wondering if it is normal to have more pain a month after the hardware removal than before?

Also, what did your doctor do to make sure that the bone didn't die and collapse?

Mar 30, 2011
To Noel
by: Anonymous

I fractured and displaced my talus in Sept 2010. I was in the hospital for 5 nights and had surgery to remove bone fragments and to repair the fracture The surgery was called open reduction and internal fixation. 6 pins were used. I was in a hard cast for almost 3 months with no weight bearing and in a walking boot for additional 2 months. I started therapy as soon as I transitioned to the walking boot. Physical therapy has greatly improved my up and down movement but I don't have much side to side motion at all. I still have swelling all of the time. I had a second surgery (out patient) to remove my pins a month ago. It has now been 6 1/2 months since my injury and I can walk a very short distance without crutches but I have been having more pain since I had the pins removed so I am still using my crutches most of the time. I have also developed plantar fasciitis which is very painful. I have had a cortisone shot for it and my physical therapist suggested sleeping in the boot which seems to be helping a little. I think I am going to try night splints which should be more comfortable than the boot. I am going to continue physical therapy for another 3 months or until I am satisfied with my range of motion and the pain subsides more. My surgeon will continue to monitor the bone until at least Sept. of this year to make sure the bone doesn't die and collapse.

Mar 29, 2011
Hope for recovery
by: Noel

I fractured my talus rock climbing in early January. I had surgery to repair the fracture but the bone is healing slowly. My doctor isn't worried about this in particular but he's worried about the lack of mobility. I can't move my foot up or down almost at all. Did any of you have this problem? I was hoping to go to nursing school in the fall but the doctor thinks I might not be able to have a job where I'm on my feet all day, anybody have any amazing recovery stories!? I'd love to hear them!

Mar 08, 2011
TIME TO SMELL THE ROSES
by: Anonymous

Hi again
One more point, I always felt the need to walk as straight as possible, not to limp, I would force myself to stand straight up, my reason for this, if you start to limp all the time it will only cause other problems, like hip problems or back problems.So when you can, be aware of how you are walking, and straighten up.
Stephen

Mar 08, 2011
time to smell the roses
by: Anonymous

Hi Cathy
As for running its very hard to run at any speed without causing pain, Having said that I have jogged a bit for only short distances, about 50-70 mts per go, I have coached rugby and had to referee an odd game, and referees have to be able to keep up, which I cant realy, but I would be strategic in my position during a game to save as much running as possible, and as these games were kids they did not use the full Pitch, thank god!!
My movement is 5% only up and down, none to sides!
I have special insoles for my shoes, I have remove what ever soles are in the shoes and place these in the shoes, As my arches need support,One insole is slightly higher than the other to encourage/help that movement needed to roll the bad ankle forward, haveing said that, there are some shoes I do not have to this with, good comfortable shoes are critical, this is important,I tend to find a shoe and stick with it if possible, maybe buy 2 pairs, as changing to completly different types of shoes daily will cause pain!! eg dress shoes in am and boots pm, try to keep footware similar in shape comfort and design. try it you will see what I mean! but first find which shoe works best for you. I dont know if you have Echo shoes,I found these very good,they are light and come in ankle boots for walking and casual shoe, the hardest is dress shoes, I have never found a pair that are dressy enough for the comfort needed, but I usualy only have to wear them for 4-5 hrs, but I get out of them asap.
My Training, walking/climbing with poles, the poles take a huge amount of pressure of the ankle, and build up the arms and upper body, rowing machines are also great. I can see the differance in my legs always, my left is always the weaker and you can see it, its always been like that since the accident.
Cheers
stephen



Mar 08, 2011
"Big Man Smelling the Roses"
by: Cathy

Your testimony is amazing! Good advice to those with this type of injury: Stay Positive and understand there will be pain, even after the bones heal. Continue to move forward.

You sound a lot like me as far as striving to achieve more. My doctors say I should not RUN unless my life depends on it. That is a disappointment for me on a personal level. Although, I am blessed to be walking today. I am looking for alternative pain-free methods of exercise. Your story is amazing. I understand the desire to push forward and the rude understanding of the ankle saying, "no more".

Today, I am interested in your training cycles. It seems I can attempt to walk further, climb up and down our stairs, or go for longer periods of time. However, there comes that dreaded point when my ankle tells me no more. I end up getting off the ankle, resting and taking pain meds to help relieve the swelling. You on the other hand are building your tolerance to climb a huge mountain! You are my inspiration. I wish I could do even more. How long has it taken you to build up to this point or do you still experience periods of training with longer periods of recouperation.

For me personally I can work/exercise until I can no longer walk. Rest over night. Have some stiffness and soreness the next morning. Take anti-inflams, continue walking to keep it loose. By the end of the day it feels pretty normal again. Are you limited to your rotation and flexibilty? How do you adjust or overcome to that?

I wish you the best with your journey. Please keep me posted. You are an inspiration to a lot of people! Thank you for sharing your story.

Mar 08, 2011
Talus pain
by: Stephen

Hi all
I am a long term offender of this injury! Mid 80's I feel 2 stories and broke both heels and a dislocated compound fracture of my left talus and ankle! At the time I was in California now in ireland. I was told I would be lucky to walk again, and I have been told of fusion and replacment. Which I have avoided so far, 25 yrs later I still get a lot of pain and swelling but I persist with it and try not to take any meds unless very bad, and then it maybe a anti-inflam or mild pain killer, I understand the pain very well and one of the worst mishaps that occurs quite regular is while walking I catch my shoe (toe end) on a crack or upturned piece of pavement, the pain even today will make me feel close to fainting!
I am a big man 6"4' and 252 lbs but I am not considered very overweight, you may laugh now!! I am in training now and looseing lbs fast hope to get to 224 in next few months as I am planing to climb kilimanjaro the highest mountain in Africa for charity,I must tell you all that it's critical to keep the weight down! Avoid walking on bad ground eg soft sand, or boggy ground! Also carry light loads short distance nothing heavy,if I carry 30-50 killos for any distance that evening I will be in pain, avoid climbing ladders! These are the most common
activities that cause major discomfort that last a few days!
So please do stay positive I know it can be very painfull, but if I can climb kilimanjaro it will be major goal achieved for me! They way I look at it now, this is the big man above telling me to slow down and smell the roses

Feb 03, 2011
Amanda part 3
by: C.King

cont.

My personal advice is to have patience. Believe that it can get better…WILL it to get better! He is fortunate it was not worse, because it sounds as if it could have been so much worse. I am sure the doctors are doing everything they can for his benefit. Pain is not fun. Learn about and consider all your options. Because he is young…he will bounce back and heal. I am sure he will overcome this. Life as he has known it has changed considerably due to this injury, but that doesn’t mean his future has to be any less bright or beautiful! It may lead him in a different direction. He can compensate for the physical. Don’t think about the limitations at this stage of the game…If they tell him bad news – then, I say prove them wrong or at least try! Maintain the course and stay strong. If he does it will lead him (you) to a better place down the road - A place better than where he would be if he just gave up now. Best wishes.

Feb 03, 2011
Amanda part 2
by: C.King

cont.

I read about a person who had severe arthritis. She eventually had both ankles fused after 29 years of pain. Perhaps some of her information will help you get through this:
1. Surgery is regarded as a "last resort treatment option" for joints severely damaged by arthritis. Over the past 25 years, joint replacement surgery has become an increasingly common procedure. However, not all affected joints are candidates for replacement.
2. Reasons for considering a joint fusion include: affected joint has become unstable, joint damage has occurred from injury or disease, or joint pain occurs when moved. The goal is pain relief and regained stability and strength. The bones are aligned in the most functional position, but lose their natural motion.
3. In theory, ankle replacement should be preferable over ankle fusion since motion would be preserved. Relief from pain and regained stability are attainable results from fusion. In 1997, doctors in Pittsburgh announced a new total ankle replacement system. Since then, ankle replacement systems have improved, but there still is concern over long-term failure rates.
4. Yes, (her personal experience) ankle fusion does alleviate all the pain. The best result is derived from surgery without any complications and from expert technique by the surgical team. Failure to place the ankle in the "optimal position" can lead to a poor clinical result.
5. Essentially all motion is sacrificed for pain relief after a fusion. The joint is placed in a fixed position. If the ankle is fused in the optimal position, some compensatory increase in motion can be expected at the midtarsal joints.
6. Complications of the joint fusion: As with any surgery, infection is a possible complication as well as wound dehiscence (re-opening). A failed fusion is also a possibility whereby the bone ends do not completely fuse despite fixation. Although ankles are one of the most common joints where fusion works.
7. For patients with a well-aligned ankle fusion, the walking gait in an appropriate shoe is nearly normal. Running gait or walking on uneven ground is made more difficult.

Feb 03, 2011
Amanda
by: C.King

Thanks...you are correct: It is not easy to remain positive and it is a life changing injury. I am sorry to hear about your fiancée. As my ankle injury was severe, his sounds to have been even more extreme. I do wish you both the best in the years to come.
What can I offer you at this point? First, I am not a doctor so I cannot give you any medical advice. Please listen to your doctors and their suggestions. I would certainly begin my own education and research on the subject of ankle fusion or perhaps even ankle replacement. The more you know and the more you understand about the available options, risks, and results…the easier it will be to make the best decision regarding his ankle, which can affect his future.
I must give him credit for being able to bear weight after 6 months. That is a good sign. However, I imagine since the cartilage is completely depleted and he already has severe arthritis forming – there is where his source of pain stems from (bone rubbing on bone hurts). The swelling would be normal because of the trauma and the ankle is still in its healing stages. My ankle was swollen well into the 2nd year and at times, even now if I overdo it. My ankle also seems to be the most sensitive in the morning, until I start moving around (and in cold or rainy weather). My ankle specialist said if I keep moving it that will help tremendously. The other thing my doctor looked for was the overall health of the bone itself. When it is not being used it can lose strength…these results do appear on the x-ray. She also was watchful of the blood supply being restored within the first 6 months.
So often each step of healing is a wait and see…then, move to the next step / level. It can be a slow process. Patience can be a virtue. Don’t give up on yourself. You deserve better than that.
Each ankle injury is different and we all heal differently, at different rates of speed. When I was in PT I felt it was helping. I also noticed a turning-in of my foot. My doctor told me it was due to the muscles not being used for so long. She also explained to me that the muscles along the outside of your foot are some of the smallest and the hardest to strengthen. (It does take time. Look how long he has been walking on his feet – 23 yrs. It all worked together. Suddenly the activity stopped, trauma occurred, and healing has begun. It takes time…don’t be discouraged.) I use to enjoy trying to stretch my ankle and foot. Rolling it over a frozen bottle of water helped to stretch it, plus it was a very cool feeling. Using my stretch-band helped too. It does take time…Now, I am walking in a much more natural way. Uneven ground has been gradual, but good now. I feel balanced again.

Feb 02, 2011
Question for C king
by: Amanda

Hi, I was reading and saw that it has been 4 years since your injury. I gotta commend you on being so positive its not an easy thing to do having such a dramatic life changing injury. My fiance is 23 and got into a motorcycle accident 6 months ago, he had a compound fracture of his talus and (completely ripped his foot off and twisted it up behind his leg) it was hanging on by a thread. Its been a long recovery but he is now able to bear weight. The problem though, he has severe arthritis in the joint, all cartilage is completely depleted. He wakes up every morning in a lot of pain, and has pretty severe swelling throughout the day followed by more pain by the time his workday is through. His foot is also curling inward and the doctor is pushing him towards ankle fusion. I'm nervous about it because he is so young I was wondering if anyone has done physical therapy or has any tricks they tried that has been a success. I know its only been 6 months but the doctor is predicting if he doesn't correct the curling of the foot it will worsen and reduce the chances of ever walking somewhat normally and reduce the chances of a successful fusion. Again he is only 23 extremely active in his work and home life, he has a successful yet very physical career which requires lots of walking, lifting etc. Were trying to stay hopeful that excersizing will work....any advice how to strengthen the joint reduce swelling and pain etc. He has to take pain medication daily now and is building a tolerance. so soon will need to up the dosage for the pain. Or if anyone knows of anyone young with a successful fusion surgery, has the pain and swelling reduced significantly. Id hate for him to go through the surgery and recovery all over again for it to be a failure and equally as painful and swollen. Also how soon did you see a reduction in swelling from your injury? He does have arthritis but its only been 6 months and it was a very severe injury.

Jan 21, 2011
Sgt.Gonzalez, nypd
by: C.King

A broken talus bone is painful in many ways, physically and emotionally. I am now in my 4th year of healing. Although, I had healed completely I do experience stiffness in the joint, especially in the cold. A heating pad can help the area, plus thicker/warmer socks, and pain ointment. I understand what you are going through and wish you the best. Do not over due your activity until your ankle says you can. It can be a slow process. My ankle still tells me when enough is enough. I can relate to your employment position, as my husband was also in law enforcement. You are active in many ways on the job. Continue to stay as active as possible. Over the years I have noticed continued changes and what I consider to be improvements. I still do not have full range of motion & never will. You will find a way to compensate. The most difficult test for me was to adjust to the personal acceptance of my new limitations. Urgg! I do not like having limitations. It will be okay and one day you will arrive at the point of not thinking about your ankle as you do in the first parts of healing. I am walking better than ever and wearing wedge-heels. To me, that is a sign of my ankle & muscles getting stronger. Would enjoy hearing from you again regarding your progress. I wish you well. Thank you for the job you have chosen in law enforcement. Your services are appreciated.

Jan 08, 2011
painful
by: Sgt.Gonzalez, nypd

I had a on duty injury/fracture of my talus, while attepting to subdue an emotionally disturbed prisoner. This has to be the worst incident I have had to go through in my life. I have always been a very active person, this has stopped me from leading my active life, and the love of being a police officer. I had the O.A.T.S surgery from an outstanding doctor at HSS NYC. He did forewarn me that this injury and surgery are complicated. My leg feels the same as before the surgery. I elevate my leg all the time because the blood seems to rush towards the it swells the ankle causing lots of pain. I dont have full range of motion of my ankle nor can I walk yet which becomes depressing. Good luck and god bless, and these talus fractures do take time to heal.

Apr 15, 2010
Results
by: C.King

Dr. Nilssen at the Andrews Institute reviewed my case. He said I have healed extremely well. He places me in the top .05% compared to others with similar injuries. (Those are great odds to beat!)Said if I had to break my ankle the talus was not the bone you wanted to break due to other complications which can occur.

As far as the pain, he recommended 2 Aleve before a work out/activity and 2 Aleve after. (Seems to be working so far.) Did not recommend a scope or additional surgery at this time. (The advantages of additional surgery would only be minimal compared to the surgery itself. He could not restore the rotation of may ankle - only a fraction more of the up and down motion, used mostly when walking.) Recommended continued movement, no running, swimming (no high impact activities) to keep the joint as flexible as possible. So, I guess that's a wrap!

I have shared my personal experience with you in order to learn more about my own injury and perhaps to encourage others too. This site is a good sounding board.

Everyone is different and each injury is different. The whole healing process can be different for each person too. My advice is to listen to your doctor(s), remain positive, keeping striving to improve, keep moving...because you will heal. Your days will get better (different maybe...but you can be better tomorrow). Don't forget to count your blessings.

Best of luck to all of you!

Mar 08, 2010
Talus Update
by: C.King

Just had a 2 year appointment...Being refered to Andrews Institute for another opinion regarding broken talus/healing/treatment. I thought I was doing well. I feel I have come far in my healing process. Trying to stay positive. Still experiencing inflamation and pain. At times I can over do it and I end up limping around. The pain feels as if I have stepped on a stone and bruised my heal really bad.(For some, that may sound minimal. However, I do look to my future and would love to ward off other complications. I still favor my left leg. Causing my knee and lower back to ache too.)

The x-rays indicate arthritis already - Located just under the talus bone. I was hoping this would not appear so soon after my injury. My first doctor thinks possibly another scope to clean it up more, or an injection...I am hoping simple exercises will do the trick to making my ankle stronger and to help alleviate more of the pain. Some days are really good, just a slight limp. I guess I need to recognize my limits, but I'm not ready to accept them just yet.

After reading other stories in comparison, I am unsure how well I am doing. Some readers mentioned having their ankle fused due to arthritis pain. Is that common?

Maybe a reader can give me some advise on the questions I should be asking the second doctor at Andrews. Thanks a lot.

Feb 08, 2010
fantastic advice
by: Bart - SII

Thanks so much for sharing!

Bart

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