Paige's ACL Story

by Paige
(Ohio)

Last year in June, I was 14 years old and was at one of my first high school soccer open gyms. I was really excited and ready to go, as most freshman are. At the end, we we're walking back from the practice field and back up to the track. Earlier that spring, I had been doing hurdles in track and loved them with all my heart. There were some hurdles on the track, so I decided to run ahead and jump them. About the third one, I landed on my right leg and heard a loud popping noise come from my knee. I knew something had to be wrong. I went to the ER, they found nothing wrong, and so I proceeded to an orthopedic surgeon. The first one I went to said I had a completely torn ACL and also a torn meniscus. We scheduled surgery for 2 months later. My mom wanted a second opinion, so we went to another doctor. Once there, he told me I didn't need surgery, that my ACL wasn't completely torn at all. I was so happy that I could continue with my sports. I went through 2 months of physical therapy and got back into the swing of things. Everything was fine. I wore a brace, and I was as physical as ever. I wasn't afraid, which was a good thing. There were no problems for an entire year. I played part of my soccer season, my whole basketball season, and even did hurdles again in the spring (as a freshman I got sixth in the ITCL). We're almost done with my sophomore year of soccer. But, a couple weeks ago we were playing a game and the field was very uneven. I went to do a goal kick, still wearing my brace, and as I landed, that evil pop noise came from my knee and I went down. I was crying and the athletic trainer came over. The pain soon stopped and I went back in. Well, my knee felt a lot weaker and the pain didn't go away as soon as I thought. So, I am going to go to another doctor November sixth to plan surgery sometime next month. I'm really scared and freaked out. Is there anything I could do to prepare? How bad is the pain? Hope this helped and hope I can get some feedback!


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My coach asked the team for a girl to play last 15 minutes on mid and nobody stepped up. I volunteered and in the first 5 minutes I was running up to a girl and turned a little and heard the pop in my left knee, but the pain wasn't that bad. I was out for the rest of the tournament. I went to a on call doctor since mine was gone and she told me it felt like MCL. I went to physical therapy 2X a week and I still couldn't bend my knee. That night I went out with some friends and I took the tiniest jump and I ended up being in wayyy more pain then before. Next day I went to my actual doctor and told me I should see a surgeon. We wen and saw him the following day. He took a couple of pulls at my knee and asked if I could come in for orthoscopic surgery next week (We don't have an MRI in my town) so we booked it! I was a little nervous because I wasn't sure what might've happend. I was super groggy after surgery and my nurses told me that my ACL was taken out because it basically was stuck between my knee joint. I laughed because I had no idea but after the meds wore off I was crying. My surgeon recommend I don't get it until I stopped growing. So I basically went straight on the bike and I was good! When ski season arrived you're not allowed to do any jumps or hard skiing which totally bummed me out. I started playing a little soccer with my brace and it was pretty good until it gave out on me. It was around 7 months that I had no ACL and it just felt so lifeless. We booked an appointment with my surgeon that month and agreed to go on the waiting list. I went to the gym more than usual to strengthen my hamstring, quad and calf muscles. I got a call from him on April. 4 and ended up going in for surgery on April. 7 I wasn't nervous at all but after I came out I remember asking for pillows to prop it up and my shin felt very numb to the touch. It's almost been a week since surgery but I took T3s for about 3 days after surgery and the pain was tolerable after that. I'm not allowed to put any weight on my leg so I'm on crutches until I see my doctor in about 10 days (5 days) pain isn't too bad but I get very weird sensations in my leg and I've got a dressing on and a brace. I can't walk around for too long or my foot goes purple which sucks. My foot is a tad swollen and my leg has some swelling on my ankle and shin. I've been icing 4X a day and the swelling in my knee has gone down but most of my pain is in my shins. I wasn't given any ankle roll exercises to prevent blood clots but I've been doing them every now and then because my calf is often tight. I'll update in a week or so to upgrade progress and when I can go back to work (I walk around a lot at work) and when I can attend physio. I was just wondering if anyone felt that their shins were hurting and feeling numb and tingly??

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Oct 30, 2012
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Paige NEW
by: Jael

Hey,
Wow that is really awesome:) And just think, you have one more year!!! Its true, thereapy made my leg really strong too:) My coach moved me from full back to offencive half cause of my powerful shot:) I really liked that position! I didn't get a goal though:( but its ok!

So on Senior Night I was playing and I hurt my Right (second ACL knee) again. I had the ball and was going to do a step on move and planted wrong. I was like NOOOO. The thing that scared me was that I was wearing my brace at the time. But I came out and our trainer looked at it and said that there were no big red flags and let me go in the second half. It was kinda hurt while playing but I was gald I went back in cause it was senior night. So the next day after looking at it again the trainer said he thought it was Mensicus. so I sat out a practice and a game and then started back again. i had to get my knee taped every day as well as wear my brace:) I looked pretty scary! lol.SO that kinda slowed me down a bit but I almost got a goal a few days later:)

My team just had our banquet last night!! Our team went 9-9. Its kinda sad to see things wraping up:( But I got my second varsity letter AND.... I was so surprised but I got "Player of the Year" for the girls soccer team! My coach went through my whole carrer telling about all my injuries and how I still came back and played like nothing was differant:) I was so happy!

I defanitly think that my surgeries changed the way I look at soccer and it really made be better in the long run! I am so gald I met you and it funny how much alike our stories are!!!

Oct 25, 2012
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by: Paige (author)

So hey! I am so glad you are both feeling great! And that is so weird we got released really close haha. My team did pretty well this year. We went 9-7, our first winning season! I was the second leading scorer on our team as a midfielder. That was kind of cool. The therapy made my leg really strong and I can kick really far. I got All ITCL Honorable Mention as well. It was like I never had surgery. I was just the girl with the knee brace that was really good at soccer haha.

Oct 01, 2012
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Hey guys! NEW
by: Kennedy

Glad you guys are doing good! and so glad you guys aren't scared to play! :)
I had my second surgery on July 13th, not acl, just a bursa sack removal in my other knee. It had me out for just under two months.
but now i'm doing pretty good. i was really hesitant at first, and still am most of the time....but i'm working on that. i definitely can't say that i'm not scared to play though....wish i wasn't...

Sep 29, 2012
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Paige NEW
by: Jael

HEY!!!
I am glad to hear from you! Sounds like things are goin gpretty good!! I got cleared on Aug 2nd so we got cleared around the same time:) I was soo happy to have that cleared form in my hand!!
I am doing pretty good, and am playing. Its good that you are not scared at all and can play like normal!! I feel pretty good about how I am playing, and am so glad to be back!! I'm trying to make this last year my best!!

How is your team looking this year?

Sep 28, 2012
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by: Paige (author)

Hey guys! Just a little update I got released on July 31st 2012 and I have been moving greatly forward in my soccer career as a junior this year. :) I am a starting midfielder and I have no fear of getting hurt :D my brace is on the moment but my knee feels great!

Apr 02, 2012
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Kennedy NEW
by: Jael

Its true! I don’t hate PT either:) Well I won’t be running for a while longer, but its soon:) My leg is still pretty weak and my PT wants it to be a bit stronger before we run. but this is about when I ran last time:) I got cleared at 4 months last time.
Hmmm, that is tough. Well first let me ask you some things. Which do you like better? Did you get hurt in Vollyball? I understand what you mean. Its hard to be motivated to play if your team isn’t very good either:) Like your teacher said, you can’t let the fear of getting hurt again keep you from doing something you love. The chance of getting hurt in volleyball is from jumping right? (correct me in not:) Weather you do either of them, get your legs SUPER strong!!! This can prevent injury. there are injury prevention programs and these are just programs to get your legs strong and practice jumping. My PT gave me one of these after my last injury (which I did not do as much as I should have:)

Apr 02, 2012
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by: Kennedy

I'm glad your both doing well! And yes I agree with Jael about the physical therapists being good. I loved mine as well! They were great people, and honestly didn't make me hate physical therapy like some people do!

4 months! Wow! and you've already started jumping? that's crazy! :) but good for you! i didn't jump until my very last day of pt which was the day i got released, so May 17th, 2011. (it's almost been a year, crazy!) but jumping was very hard on me, still is. but i also jump really high, (like unusually high) haha so i have to be really in control and make sure that everythings alright, and really think about it!

and 2 and a half months! and your already started running! i'm amazed! :) i didn't run until 5 and a half months! good luck with that! :)

okay and now i need some advice from you guys. okay i'm currently a junior (so next year i will be a senior) i have played volleyball since i've been in 6th grade, and i love the sport, but sometimes i get irritated by my coach. i've played softball forever and i love it. my team this year is really good, and we have the ability to win state, and next year were going to be even better. but here's my dilemma. my volleyball team next year isn't going to be very good, (like we'll be lucky to win a game), should i play volleyball with the chance of getting hurt for softball, or should i not play volleyball and just do softball. I've talked to a couple of my teachers about this (one who's been hurt before, and can really relate to me) and she told me that i can't live life worried that i'm going to get hurt again, which i understand, and i really try not to be worried about it, but both teachers told me that they'd support me in whatever i do (and one is actually the assistant volleyball coach) they just want me to be happy. i currently think i'm going to play, but i just wanted your input and see what you guys think! thanks :)

Apr 02, 2012
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Paige NEW
by: Jael

Yeah sorry its been so long:) WOW 4 months:) Its great to hear that you are progressing well! Good Physical therapists make ALL the difference:) mine are great as well:) and the one that works with me the most has had this surgery and playes soccer too:) he was actually our Boy’s HS coach for a while:) I am still doing therapy 3 times a week. I see my Dr. in a few days and my PT says that after that soon I’ll be able to start running! I am 2 ½ months out:) YAY!! That is so cool, and Ironically I am about to get my license to, and mine was my right leg as well! I can’t wait for soccer either, but I have a while:) I did get my functional brace though. I am sure that you will do great in soccer:) I know its hard to not be afraid and it took me a while before I played normally, but you just gotta do it! Lol, even the things that you are afraid of.
Just wondering, what type of graft did they use?

Glad you are doing well!

Apr 02, 2012
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by: Paige (author)

Hey Guys! Next week marks my 4 month mark from my surgery! Wow! I can hardly believe it :) I feel great and am progressing well. I can jog lightly and just started jumping. I love my physical therapists, they are so fun and encouraging. I go once to twice a week and I love being able to get stronger. I am actually almost a month ahead of schedule. :D I also got my license, which is awesome because it was my right leg too. I can't wait for soccer season to come back around so I can try out this new leg. I just hope I'm not afraid to do things again.

So how's everyone else doing? It's been awhile! Hope everyone's doing well!


Feb 14, 2012
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by: Kennedy

I'm glad your both doing well! and that's awesome that you feel normal again! i still don't feel normal haha!
and i'm doing good, my meniscus issue still bothers me and i just have the general soreness all the time but other then that, everything is doing great!

i hope pt is going great for both of you! :)

Feb 14, 2012
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by: Jael

Oh, that is great!!:) I loved feeling normal again after my first surgery:) Its such freedom:)
I am doing well! on the 18th it will be 1 month since my surgery!!! Its really hard to belive actually! I am still non-weight bearing for another week:( But I can't wait to walk!!

So how far out of surgery are you? 2 months? What kind stuff are you doing now?

Feb 14, 2012
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Hey guys! NEW
by: Paige (author)

Hey everyone! I'm doing great, how about everyone else? :) I feel like a normal person again haha :)

Jan 27, 2012
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Kennedy NEW
by: Jael

Hey Kennedy,

I am glad your ACL was ok!! Sorry about your meniscus!!!
My surgery went well! I had a cadaver this time. Also when my Doctor got in there he found a the tear in my meniscus, but it was pretty big and so he was able to fix it because there is blood flow on the outside where my tear was. So because they fixed that I can’t put any weight on it for 6 weeks. That is kind of a drag but oh well. When I saw my doctor yesterday he said because eof the size of the tear he didn’t feel like he would just leave it. But he was happy with how it went and he said I am ahead of schedule.
I hope you are still doing ok!!

Jan 22, 2012
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by: Kennedy

hey sorry i haven't posted in a while! Hope everybody's doing alright-and hope both of your surgery's went good!!!


As for my MRI results, my ACL looked pretty good, there was a slight problem with my lateral meniscus though. It's playable, just a bit sore at times and when i sit certain ways. But they will probably go in at the end of softball, (so in august, right before my senior year starts) and they'll just scope it. Which is pretty good, i mean i was expecting much worse. The recovery time for that is like 3-4 weeks, so i would miss a majority of my senior volleyball season, but we'll see i might not even have to get it done!

but anyway hope everybody's doing good and physical therapy is going great!!

GOOD LUCK!!!

Jan 12, 2012
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by: Jael

Hey I was wondering how you are doing!! Hoes the recovery going??

So I am having surgery for my other on on the 18th... so yeah!!

Dec 14, 2011
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Kennedy NEW
by: Jael

Yeah! It is very loud!! Don’t you get to listen to musice?? It is Freezing in the room where they did my MRIs:)
Yeah, its nerve wracking just waiting! One thing that could make you feel better is that, maby he just wants to rule out everything so that you can be sure of wats up, I mean maby there is noting wrong, but he just wants to make sure. Some Doctors say “oh, nothing’s wrong and then later you find out that they were terribly wrong! But possibly there is really nothing wrong! A friend on my soccer team’s knee was hurting and she had an MRI and there was nothing wrong and her knee eventually felt better! Just some things to make you feel better!

Let me know though!

Dec 14, 2011
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Jael NEW
by: Kennedy

Both! haha i had an MRI first time around and absolutely hated it. i didn't like being so tight in there and it was soooooo loud. it really kinda scared me! haha
but yes i'm scared for the results too, obviously. i mean i just think it's weird, like if he didn't think there was something else he wouldn't have ordered another MRI? i don't know though...

Dec 14, 2011
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by: Jael

I walked the day of my surgery, with a hand to help me and then crutches.

Aww! Well I hope everything is just fine!!
Sacred of the result or the MRI itself?? I would be scared of the result too! When I had my second one I was worried to find out what was up! As far as the MRI goes, They are not that bad just loud!

Dec 14, 2011
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by: Kennedy

I'm so glad everything went well! and i am very impressed that you are already semiwalking! i didn't do that for like 3 weeks!
be careful at school on crutches! but good luck with that!


and a current update on my operated knee status.
so i met with my surgery doctor today and he did the basic stationary tests to see where my knee was and how it was holding up. he said it looked pretty good. but he stilled ordered me an MRI because he wants to get a deeper look. he said that it's possible that the cadaver tendon just didn't take, that my body "rejected" it. but if that happened he would have to redo the surgery. but he also said that is worse case scenario. but i'm having my MRI next week. and we will go from there. it's weird for me because i feel pretty good. like obviously i have the pains in my knee, but i guess i just figured that was normal, but i'm still getting an MRI. :( and to be honest i'm kinda scared.

Dec 13, 2011
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by: Jael

YAY!! I am so glad that everything went well!:)
Bathing for the first time was AMAZING:) did you actually get to shower or was it just a spong bath type thing?? Semi walking is good too:) Crutches and school will be “fun”:) but you will do awesome! Have you been to therapy get?

Dec 13, 2011
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by: Paige (author)

Hey guys! :) I'm sitting on my couch, doing my little machine thing haha :) my surgery went great, no problems! The past couple of days have been ruff, but today was good. I bathed for the first time. Woo! I can bend my knee 60 degrees now. Yes! Ice is my best friend right now and I'm going back to school tomorrow, plus I'm semi-walking with my brace! :D

Dec 08, 2011
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by: Kennedy

Sorry i haven't commented in a while

i meet with my doctor on tuesday to find out what's going on with me! but i'll keep ya updated!

and Paige good luck tomorrow!!!! :)

Dec 08, 2011
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Paige
by: Jael

oh, well I will be thinking of you at 10!!!!
Don't worry, you will do great!! And then you can start getting better:P When you have this tomarrow then you will be that much closer to getting better!
Let me know how it goes, as soon as you can:P

Dec 08, 2011
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Jael
by: Paige (author)

Yeah, it was the C thingy machine you guys were talking about! And yes I am. I have to be at hospital tomorrow at 10. I'm so ready to get this over with!! :)

Dec 07, 2011
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My ACL Tear
by: Mikayla

The same thing happened to me! I'm in 8th grade this year and 6 months ago I tore my ACL at a basketball camp. I had surgery and boy I'm glad I did because we at still young the recovery is a lot easier on us I can't wait though to get back to doing what I love. SPORTS!!!

Dec 07, 2011
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by: Jael

:P Yeah!
I only had part of this year without an ACL, so at first I was a bit scared, but after like 2 weeks we were playing this really muddy rough game and I was just taking people out and sliding around and I think that is when I really just PLAYED:)

So are you getting ready for your surgery? What was the machin the talked to you about? How did that go?

Dec 07, 2011
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by: Jael

Ok! That makes sense!

Good! Because I have wanted to do both, I figure that it is just as easy to do the AT degree while doing my pre-requisite stuff and then do both. And since the dual program sometimes cuts off time it makes even more sense
Why don’t they always get along?

So since you worked in a clinic, does that mean a PT clinic or something else? When working in this clinic did you do mostly the same things as a PT?
Oh, were do you teach?

Thanks for all your help!


Dec 07, 2011
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Jael
by: Paige (author)

Yayy!! :) That makes me really happy to hear! I love love to hear when people are doing well. And yeah, when I first started to play my partial year, I was terrified of people around me. But, my second year, I was no longer a freshman and I felt like every time I put on that brace nothing could hurt me (even though that wasn't true) :). I would take people out left and right. It was funny to see people's faces :D

Dec 06, 2011
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@jael
by: Bart - Sports Injury Info

Yes, PT schools have specific pre-requisite classes that are required, but they don't usually have a specific major that you have to complete. Best bet is to find the programs you are interested in and make sure you take all of their required pre-reqs when in undergrad. If you're in a dual program, they take care of that.

AT/PT is definitely a plus when looking at job opportunities. Its a bit harder to only work with athletes when only a PT, but ATs don't make as much money, and they also usually can't work in most clinics, as insurance reimbursements are different for ATs and PTs. So having both is the best of both worlds. Just FYI, AT and PT professions don't always get along well - but that is somewhat dependent upon who you talk to.

I loved my job when I was working with patients daily. I was a lucky one in that I did work in a clinic as an AT. The hardest part was the stress of having all of your patients counting on you to make them better. And the paperwork - there was always tons and tons of paperwork. Now, I teach in a masters degree program for athletic training and see patients once a week just to stay fresh. Getting students to do well is the hardest part of my job now - but seeing them graduate and then go out and be amazing athletic trainers is very rewarding!

Bart

Dec 02, 2011
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by: Jael

Bart

Yes, they have a dual program too. See, I figured that AT probably had most of the same classes that Pre-PT had, and that is why the dual program sounded great! So you don’t have to take a specific undergrad program like pre-PT to go on to graduate school, as long as you have the required material taken in some undergrad bio study?? I have wanted to study AT because I have wanted to work with athletes! (always when I would watch a sport when someone would go down I would always watch and wonder what happened, then I would see all the people run out there and I told myself that I wanted to be one of those people: ) But since I had surgery and did therapy I also wanted to do PT. then I found out that one of my PTs has an AT degree too, I decided that I could do both. Then I found the dual programs and thought those would be better. But If I do PT I would want to work with mostly athletes! Haha:) and cutting time off college is good too:) What mead you want to be an AT and do you like your job? What is hardest about it and what do you like most?

Kennedy

I used a CPM machine too. And you are right, it did not hurt and I am sure it helped my range of motion too! I only used it while I was at the hospital though.


Paige

Haha, you’ll have to let us know!!
:) Well, as soon as I got hurt and found out that I could not play, I was so excited to get back. People would often ask me if I would play soccer after I got better, and I would always be like “YEAH!:)” There was no doubt in my mind if I would play after I got better, but I do admit that when I did get back I was a bit worried and carful:) I am sure you will want to play afterward! And I am positive you will be brave enough! I think that if you can go through surgery you can defiantly get back to playing! And I was worried about being as good but 7 months after my surgery I was already playing really good (not quite as good as before, but I was always getting better!) Now it depends on when you can get back to soccer as far as how long it will take YOU but…. Also I was knocking people over again by that point too:) slide taking should be no problem if your legs are strong.

After my second tear and playing on it I was a bit tentative to run into people because my knee was not stable and such but after a bit I got over it I was fine
When you were playing on your torn ACL Were you a bit afraid to tackle or run people over?

Dec 02, 2011
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Jael
by: Paige (author)

Jael: That might be it, I'm not sure. I'll know Tuesday! And I really really hope I'll still be good enough and brave enough to play. I love soccer with all my heart and I would love to play again. I just fear that I won't be as good as before. I have a love of slide tackling people, so I hope I can still do that haha.

Thanks guys!

Dec 02, 2011
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Jael
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Jael: That might be it, I'm not sure. I'll know Tuesday! And I really really hope I'll still be good enough and brave enough to play. I love soccer with all my heart and I would love to play again. I just fear that I won't be as good as before. I have a love of slide tackling people, so I hope I can still do that haha.

Thanks guys!

Dec 01, 2011
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Paige and Jael
by: Kennedy

I used the CPM machine after my surgery! It was a really good thing for me, it helped my range of motion a lot! it doesn't hurt too much, i guess it makes your knee feel more tight then anything! but the CPM was a great thing for me to have after surgery, because i would just sleep in it, so it worked really well


Dec 01, 2011
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by: Bart - Sports Injury Info

@Paige - good luck next week! I'm sure you will do great!

@Jael - I haven't heard of Messiah college - they have an AT program? As for double majoring - that probably isn't necessary. Most PT programs just require some type of undergraduate degree, and specific pre-requisite courses - physics, abnormal psych, kinesiology, physiology, anatomy, etc. Athletic training programs have most of these courses required, and so that makes a good undergrad degree for those who are interested in PT. And a dual credentialed clinician is more marketable - If you want to work primarily with athletes and sports injuries, an AT and PT degrees makes perfect sense. Athletes are the primary patient population that ATs work with - PTs work with athletes but also with all kinds of other age ranges and types of problems like neurological, cardiac, geriatric, and pediatric. The good thing about a duel degree program is that it cuts a little time off, usually a year.

Dec 01, 2011
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by: Jael

Paige

Don’t worry, you’ll do great!! Oh, the CPM machine maby?
Yeah! Once you get surgery over with then you can start to get better and closer to what you love!

Are you still going to play soccer next year??

Dec 01, 2011
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by: Paige (author)

Kennedy: Well that's not good! I hope everything goes alright. Keep us updated.

I have also considered becoming a PT as well. I just have such a passion with working with children, I feel like a NICU nurse is better fit for me.

Jael: Yeah, mines on Dec. 9th. A week from tomorrow! I have a guy coming over tuesday to talk about machinery or something for after my surgery? Idk, but I'm just ready to get it over with :)

Dec 01, 2011
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by: Jael

Yeah! Getting hurt last year opened my eyes too:) Like it also makes you so much more interested in why thinks work the way they do!!:)

Oh, no! That is not good! Its good though that your hips and other knee can be ok!
Did he say exactly what he thought was wrong with your reconstructed knee?
One thing though, when I asked my therapist about my reconstructed knee shifting, he said it could be that my knee is still not as strong as it should be and so it can’t hold it into place as well. He said my new Acl is very strong and stable though. That is just some hope for you! I’ll be waiting to hear and hoping for the best!!

As of now I don’t have a surgery date yet, but hopefully soon! I think Paige said her is Dec. 9th.


Nov 30, 2011
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Everyone!
by: Kennedy

Jael
Yes, human anatomy and physiology is my faaavvvveeeee!!!! haha i was actually taking it last year when i got hurt, and getting hurt just totally opened my eyes, and showed me that i really like biology, especially that branch of it!

Bart
Thanks! I'm definitely going to look into Creighton University! :)

And UPDATE!!!
Okay so i had my doctors appointment today. it was for him to access my right knee (uninjured knee) because of the pain that has been happening in it. he seems to think that they can keep that under control with therapy.
he then looked at my hips( since they've been bothering me) and also said that they could probably control that with therapy.
and then finally i told him about some of my little incidents in volleyball(where my knee would pop out and then pop back in, as it feels like it's going to tear) so he looked at my left knee(ACL reconstructed knee) and was not happy at all! in fact he was very, very alarmed! he said that the popping thing while i'm playing volleyball should most definitely not be happening, and then he said that i could have retore, and he started doing the pivot shift test( but he said i didn't have any pivot shifting going on but at some point it sounds like i did) and then he said that i had to get in to see my surgery doctor right away(cause this guy thats been seeing me is like my actual doctors "fill in" i guess? anyway so hes sending me to see my doctor next tuesday and we will see how that goes......

i don't know the dates of your guy's surgery but i hope it goes well! Good Luck!!!

Nov 30, 2011
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Bart
Yes, that was me:)
Thanks! I will definitely look into Boston! It sound like it very good!
Have you heard of Messiah College? I have been looking into their program and was wondering if you knew anything about it.
Also, If I were to go to a college that did not do a dual credential program, would it be any harder to do a double major in AT and Pre-PT?

Kenndy

I know;) I am taking Anatomy and Physiology this year in school, and it totally fascinates me! Its kind of funny because I realized that I know a lot about things just from being in sports and having this surgery! But the new thing I do learn are really neat, and I am like “oh, that’s why that happened when I run” and just lots of stuff that is neat because now I know whats happening when I do certain things!

Oh, definitely! I would do anything to have avoided tearing my ACL especially the second time!

I am sure you’ll get over it when you are ready:)

Had your PT said anything about why your other knee hurts?

Nov 29, 2011
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by: Bart - Sports Injury Info

Creighton University in Nebraska and Washington University in St. Louis both have excellent PT programs. PT degrees are now offered as doctorate degrees, so you would have to get an undergraduate degree in something, usually science related, and then go to PT school. There are some Pre-PT programs that get you ready to go to PT school through a BS degree.

Bart

Nov 29, 2011
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yes i love learning how everything works too! it's like my fave!

and yes your right! ( i know he didn't do it on purpose, obviously he was doing it to the best of his ability) but it's still frustrating to hear that from your PT that it could have been avoided!

but i'm trying to get over it! it's kind of happening! slowly. haha

Bart
Do you know of any colleges with good PT programs that are closer to the midwest? cause i am definitely interested in studying that too!

Nov 29, 2011
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by: Bart - Sports Injury Info

Hey Guys! Great conversation going on here! Its wonderful to see you each supporting one another and finding so much in common!

One of you (I have a hard time following all of the different people on this site, with all of the different posts), Jael I think, was interested in AT and PT - Boston University has one of the best dual credential programs in the country. I have good friends who went through the AT program, as well as knowing the faculty there. I think it is a 6 year program that gets a bachelors degree in AT, and a Doctorate in PT. Great School, Great People.

You guys keep it up, these posts are great for those who are getting ready for surgery. And if you have questions, let me know...I'll try to keep an eye on this thread to make sure I don't miss them.

Bart

Nov 29, 2011
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Ahh, I see:) That would be frustrating! Well, in his defense (and that of my probable profession:), (totally not saying the he could not have done better, but) It is really hard to tell sometimes if something is torn or not, I mean Athletic trainers (or anyone) can’t see inside of you , they can only feel. And sometimes the muscles around it are too strong or they are to swelled up, so that they hold the knee more steady making it hard to tell if its loose or not. Like this second knee, when I went to see my Dr. He did all the tests and my knee did not feel lose, said that because my muscle were so strong he could not get an accurate test, so he did some special ones, and still could not get a good feel. He told me that he thought I might have torn it because of what I was describing but it did not feel lose. So I had an MRI and in the end it was completely one too! So just saying. But I probably would be a bit mad about that too:)

But the hip thing is really interesting! I had never heard that that could be an issue. I was told that if you have really strong quads and not as strong hamstrings (common in girls:) (its always us:) that you can tear it that way too. That was not the reason I did though either time. When a girl runs into the side of you leg full on, like the first time… there is really nothing you can do about that:)
I have learned so much through this process!! Its so cool how everything works! :)

Nov 29, 2011
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okay so the athletic trainer at my school, right after i got hurt, i went to him. and it was very obvious that i was seriously hurt, and there were like 7 people in this meeting with the athletic trainer, and everyone wanted to know what was wrong. and anyway so he did all these tests on me (and i don't think i need to remind anyone, but i had a COMPLETELY TORN ACL!!!!!) and anyway, so he does all these tests and he's like, "Oh there's nothing wrong at all. Your fine." and i was just mad. cause it was stupid.
and then right before i got hurt, (like i said i was having problems with my hips) and anyway, so i went to this athletic trainer and i was like, "i'm having these problems, can you tell me what's wrong, because i don't want to get hurt worse" and he was like "oh your fine, just stretch more." so then i eventually tore, and when i went to see my PT, before i had even told her the story or anything, she was like, "were you by chance having problems with your hips?" and said yes, and she was like, "wow i wish you would have seen me before you got hurt, i totally could have fixed your hips. and you wouldn't have even torn your ACL." so anyways i just think it's really frustrating. because i feel like my school's athletic trainer should have known that. and then i wouldn't have gotten hurt. but yeah, so there's nothing i have against athletic training, i just don't like our athletic trainer so i would probably never study it.

as you can tell i'm still a bit bitter about this! haha

Nov 29, 2011
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by: Jael

Paige

Haha:) That is very cool! You probably get a lot of the same weather we do!

Haha! I have never had someone tell me they wished they had a brace like mine either:) But I have had many comments on it though:)

Oh, trust me, it will be nice to have the surgery over with and not hanging over your head!
I am glad we could give you some confidence too:) I find that its easier to cope with something when you know what to expect! I remember that I was really nervous in the couple of days leading up to my surgery. I think it was just the anticipation of it that killed me:) Once I was there, they gave me this relaxer shot, and that helped me to not be nervous. Like before surgery I was really worried about the IV, but I was so relaxed from the shot that I really did not notice it! And it didn’t hurt. You’ll do awesome and be walking around in no time:)
You are having the hamstring graft right?? I have heard that it is a good one:) And you know what? We’ll have the full spectrum here! I had the patellar tendon graft; I believe Kennedy had the cadaver (Right Kennedy?) and then if you have the hamstring that’s all three:)

Kennedy

Yeah, I need to nail down what I want to do too!
What I figure wih doing athletic training, is that when I graduate from undergrad school, (if I do the double program thing) I’ll already have my athletic training degree, so while I wait to get into graduate school for PT, I can have a job, or if I don’ get in at all, I’ll have a plan B!
Just curious, why would you not want to do AT?

I really don’t recall having problems with my hips before surgery. Now (Like Paige I noticed it afterwards) if I walk a lot (only walking for some reason) they get sore or click sometimes.


I agree! I just want to be better and be able to do the things I used to, without worrying about my knee, or them hurting!!

Nov 28, 2011
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Well that's good! because mine are literally like the most annoying things ever! haha they just never, ever stop hurting. so that' something else they are going to be working on at PT with me this time around too! i mean i did a little bit last time, but apparently it wasn't enough! so were gonna go for round 2! haha

i personally think it's more annoying, when your all done and healed and everything, to still be hurting, because then everyone is like, "well it can't be that bad." but it definitely is. and sometimes you feel like your back at square one again.
i. hate. it.

Nov 28, 2011
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I noticed my hips starting bothering me afterwards. It is really annoying. But, I have never been told that is anything wrong with them, they just hurt. They said the reason I tore was because of the way I jumped and they fixed that last year in PT. I'm longer in PT, just until after surgery.

Nov 28, 2011
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Jael
Yes, i go back and forth like everyday on what i want to do. but i'm trying to figure it out cause i need to start looking at colleges and stuff! haha but i don't think i want to go into athletic training, if i go that direction i think i'll stick mainly with physical therapy, i mean i no athletic training could be a part of it. but i would mostly prefer to do physical therapy!

Paige
I am glad we have given you a new found confidence! haha that's what this site is for! ( i think? lol) i remember telling everyone that i wasn't nervous for surgery, (and i really wasn't) until i was literally being wheeled back. and then i was shaking and i like thought i was going to pass out! i was freaking out! but there really is nothing to be worried about! promise!

colored braces are awesome, but i am definitely the only person i know that has a colored brace. i see some black ones, but not many! and definitely no one has told me that they want a brace like mine! haha i mean besides the team that told me they liked my brace! but i think most people are just like, "wow i'm glad that's not me." haha cause that's kinda how i would feel if i were in their postition.

question...were either of you having problems with your hips right before you tore? because my hips were unaligned and then i got them adjusted and was going back for more readjustments, but then i tore. and my pt told me that that was the reason i tore, because my hips were weak and couldn't support my knees.

also, do your hips/knees (mostly hips) just ache at like the most random times? like today in class i was just sitting there, i hadn't worked out yet today, or the day before, so it wasn't like i was sore from working out, but anyway, it like hurt to sit, and stand and walk. it was crazy. and annoying...

Nov 28, 2011
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Kennedy: Oh yes, I will most definitely have to very careful, especially with my grace. I live in ohio, so nothing too bad... yet. I hope I'll be okay.

And I do like the attention! It does sound a little weird. But, there is this kid that's a senior who says he wishes he had one of them!! Haha :)

Jael: No way! I live in western ohio, like the border of PA. That's sweet.

And I love the color of brace! It makes me really happy :D haha.

My surgery's less than two weeks away, woo! I'm getting anxious, but also excited to get it over with. You guys gave me a new found confidence :)

Nov 28, 2011
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by: Jael

Paige

Ok, well just the thought of it sound like it would be painful! I am glad its not!:)

I know! I bruised everyone:) even myself! Lol

So you are doing PT right now, Correct?


Kennedy

:P I wanted to originally (since freshman year) study to be an athletic trainer, and now after my injuries, I still want to study athletic training but I want to do Physical therapy too! There is this program at some schools where you can do them both. Its like a special program for those two majors because the core classes are so similar!

Yes! It’s a pain to get around on crutches anyway! And thankfully last year I did not have to be on crutches during winter or snow, but when it did come to winter it was still scary to walk with my knee:) This year however I will be on crutches in snow, and I live in western Pa so its really snowy too!

I agree, I kind of like the attention of the brace too! I mean its dose show what you wean through and that you are still willing to play because of it. I will admit its kind of annoying to wear a brace (the remembering to bring it, and the hassle of having to put it and have it on!) but its kind of redeeming it the fact that you look awesome :)

Haha:) even if you had a black one you would still draw attention to it anyway, I mean come on, its this big growth on your leg!
And you are right, knee surgery is nothing negative. I have grown so much going through it!

Nov 27, 2011
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by: Kennedy

Jael

Haha ya it's funny how my plans have changed, like up until i got hurt i had all these plans to study math, and be a math teacher, and then i got hurt and i was like, oh maybe i want to study biology. and then i was like wait no i want to study sports psychology, and then everyone would be like, "Why?" and my answer was always, "well, i want to help people, and be able to push them and talk them through the way they helped me!" and now i'm like, "that is definitely the definition of physical therapy, combining everything i want to do." haha so we'll see where that takes me! those plans might change too though! (and we are kind of weirdly alike! haha:) )

Paige
Ya i go to a highschool with 300 people too, but it was still a pain to get around in on crutches. especially if you live somewhere where it snows a lot!! (i live in Illinois and we had a TON of snow last year) it was a huge pain cause i had to be really careful of the snow and especially the ice. my physical therapists were really worried about me getting around in it. my advice for that is to make sure there's someone there with you if your going to be walking around outside, cause then you have someone to hold on to! (i always felt like an old person when i was doing that haha because i would be holding on for dear life!)

And yes the knee braces definitely get a lot of stares! like before i got my sports one, and i was still in the post op brace (the HUGE one) my family went on vacation and everyone stared. and i mean everyone. it was like they'd never seen a knee brace before. it got really annoying, but it also caused people to stay out of my way(haha does that sound bad? cause it was kinda a good thing :p) but now in my sports brace i get a lot of stares too, especially in softball and volleyball, because those aren't sports where you necessarily see a lot of knee braces. but it is kinda funny how people are almost scared of it. like this one time we were playing a softball team and i was playing 3rd base, and the team was in their dugout and i could totally hear them all whispering about my kneebrace.( they weren't saying anything bad about it, haha they were just talking) so i turned and i smiled and then they all started laughing and one of them yelled, "we love your pink brace!" haha it was really great.
is it just me, or do you guys kinda enjoy the stares? haha that probably sounds weird too, and i mean like sports brace stares not postop stares because those were just annoying.
Like i remember my dad saying, "you should get a black brace you don't want people staring and drawing negative attention."
And i was thinking, "Knee surgery isn't something people should associate with being negative, especially if they are back playing, i think that should show how strong someone is and how much self motivation and determination they have! because it's hard too do!"

Nov 27, 2011
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Kennedy: Yeah, my school is tiny. It only has like 300 people in it... maybe.

Jael: The calcifying doesn't actually hurt at all. It just feels funny on the inside.

Haha you're so right about the knee brace thing though! People just stare at it all of the time. I bruise people all of the time, not even meaning to. Even my own team mates :/.

I went for PT instead of having surgery, but it ended up not working. That's why I'm here now. I played all of my sports fine until I went down last month :P

Nov 27, 2011
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Kennedy
Awe that stinks!
Because of this I have wanted to study PT too!:) I think that because I had this experience I would be able to relate to people with injuries. I found it so helpful that my therapist had my injury and so if I would ever work with someone who also tore theirs I could totally understand where they are coming from!

Paige
The pushing the knee back thing did hurt but its not as bad as it sounds! It only lasted like 5 min. Do surgery!! I know it sounds hard and like too much of a big deal, but it is so much nicer to have it all fixed! Like you said you hate when it shifts, it is much better to have that fixed and it not do that anymore!! So definitely stick with it! Therapy was hard at times but Kennedy said it, IT DOSE PAY OFF:) I am so much stronger because of it! Haha:) And I am thinking of studying it too:) (wow, Kennedy this it too weird, we are very alike!)
Ouch! That sounds painful to have it calcify!!
Yeah, the anesthesia was kinda weird! Like Kennedy said the operating room is cold! But they gave me a warm blanket, which was awesome! After I got wheeled into the operating room and laid on the table, I don’t remember much. The nurses told me that they would take good care of me and then I just fell asleep. I really don’t remember falling asleep really, like BOOM I was just gone!
When I woke up I was not really in too much pain. I don’t know if they had given me something already or not. But eventually in the recovery room it started to ache and so I asked for medicine. I also spent the night in the hospital.
When I got home I just spent my week on the couch :) I am homeschooled so I do just do my school at home anyway so that was nice to just chill at home. But I did take on class at our high school so I did have to go in for that. And for the first week after surgery, whenever I stood for long periods of time my knee would throb, and my calf would swell a bit.
Crutches are annoying to walk around in! It makes you feel so slow:)

This website is awesome!! I love being able to talk to people who know what I am talking about, and I found this right before my surgery and it does make you feel so much better!

Awe, you guys get cool braces, mine is just black :) oh, well, whatever color they are, don’t they make you look beast?? :) All the other teams would always look at my brace and sometimes I could tell they were afraid of running into it! Plus all the pictures of me playing in it make me look killer:) lol

I also did therapy before surgery! They wanted my knee to have full range of motion!

Nov 27, 2011
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Yes i got the opposite from my school colors cause i wanted to stand out too! haha

do you go to a big school? cause my school is really small and it was kinda bad. haha but i was on crutches for 3 months, and through a little bit of winter, so that was pretty bad!

Nov 27, 2011
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Haha no, it was for me too! I got the total opposite of my school colors so I would stand out haha.

And yeah, I don't know of anyone like me, yet. I hope I never will but if I do I'm sending them here!

And I'm actually a sophomore. Uhhgg, schools gonna suck on crutches :P

Nov 27, 2011
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electric blue! that sounds awesome! haha
it was so crazy how big of a deal that was to me, like picking out the color. haha i felt like that was my reward, for the 8 months that i had been completely miserable, and i finally got to pick a color! haha (sounds stupid i know!)

and yes this website is the best thing i've ever found! cause when i was hurt, there wasn't much to do obviously, so i would like google search to find something like this, and finally i found it! haha yay! now i like recommend it to people if they are going through the same thing as me!

i didn't have to go through any physical therapy before i had surgery, (but that was because my knee was so messed, up there really wasn't anything to be done for it) but it starts out easy, and then it'll get harder! but it'll all workout!

are you a junior too?

Nov 27, 2011
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This website is literally the best! haha and thanks! That makes me feel a lot better about everything! :) and talking about your brace, the pink sounds really cute!! :D mines electric blue :) but I'm kinda allergic to the material inside of it. And I've gone through some physical therapy before so that I could make it stronger. It wasn't bad, but I know this will be worst. :P

Nov 27, 2011
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by: Kennedy

Jael
No she never tore anything! she just "thought" she did! it. drove. me. insane.

Paige
yes, PT was awful, but a rewarding experience at the same time. i think it shows you how strong you actually are and that you can do a lot if you put your mind to it! i actually think i want to study Physical Therapy now! so trust me some good does come out of it! as awful as you think it is now, trust me you'll look back and see that there was good in it!!! i'm a lot more involved in my student council now, like before i got hurt i never really did anything besides sports, and now i am very involved in a lot of different things!

and yes the popping/sliding out is the worst, it still happens to me, kind of a lot. like in the comment above i was talking about when i was with my friends and i turned and my leg like locked up and i could feel it like almost tear! but it held. thank God. but it does hurt i agree completely!!!

the anesthesia wasn't that bad. (from what i remember, i was pretty out of it) all i remember from surgery is being wheeled back (it was really cold in the operating room) and then they laid me down on the operating table and they started talking to me about shopping( i had 5 different nurses) they were all standing over me talking to me about school, shopping, the beach. just anything really. and then i was out. and when i woke up i was in a crazy amount of pain!(but i wasn't on pain killer yet because they had to get a rate of pain, it was definitely a 10!!!) so after i told them that my pain was a 10 they put me on medicine and gave me a button to press every time i had pain and it would give a dose of medicine,(but it only did that like once every 15 minutes no matter how many times i pressed it!)
but then once i was home(i stayed in the hospital one night) my medicine just made me really tired, like i couldn't keep my head up. i stayed at home for a week, and then when i got back to school it was just really awful. but my teachers were really good about helping me and stuff, like one of my teachers just let me sleep on the floor during class! haha but i was pretty miserable for a while after surgery, but i was also on some really strong medication!

just stay strong! as hard as it seems now i promise you can do it! and don't worry you can always vent here and let us know what's up! :)

Nov 27, 2011
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Haha so I was reading your guys conversation and it really is awesome to have someone to talk to! The whole pushing on the knee all the way in PT made me want to throw up a bit though. :P It sounds extremely painful and made me even have second thoughts about surgery, but I have to do it. Because I waited so long for the surgery, my ACL actually calcified onto another muscle in my knee. Sooo yeah, that's awesome. I absolutely hate the shifting feeling in your leg :P it drives me nuts! The first time it was extremely painful when I hurt it, I actually blacked out from the pain and swelled up immediately. But, the second time, I just sat there screaming, "I did it again!" For about two minutes and then walked off and after a few minutes I went back into the soccer game. How is the anesthesia? weird? You guys are awesome!!

Nov 27, 2011
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Oh, wow! That stinks! I am kinda glad it was my other knee this time am not the same knee retorn!

My high school that I play for is really small too, but I am homeschooled so I don’t go to the school so I don’t know if anyone else had torn theirs (I don’t think there has been though). I know there is this on guy that tore his, but I don’t know him really, and then there is that girl on my team.

Oh, that would really annoy me too! So she did not actually tear it in the end? But yeah, that would really kill me! When I tore my first one, some of my team did not think I had really torn it. That totally ticked me off, I mean seriously, I was playing varsity, why would I fake an injury when I was starting? After I actually had the surgery, they believed me! But that really made me upset!

Oh, I would have a hard time deciding too!:) I do remember seeing that one though!



Nov 27, 2011
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she had surgery on her reconstructed knee last year when she tore it, but hen she tore it again (not a complete tear i don't think) but she just had her surgery. but i haven't talked to her yet, since her surgery was so recent, but i'll talk to her here soon about it!

There was no one at my school that had torn theirs, ever. so i didn't have anybody to go through it with, or anything. (but i go to a really small school so that's probably why) but there was this girl, who in my personal opinion, was just complaining that her knee hurt. but anyway so like 1 month after i tore mine, she hurt her knee, but like nothing serious at all. i think it was just bruised! and anyway she told everyone that she tore hers, and was getting her MRI to know for sure. it drove me crazy! cause i knew, just by talking to her, that she hadn't torn hers, but then she was going off about how she had a torn ACL and was going to be out for the rest of the year (she was a senior last year) and then everybody would come up to me and be like, "Wow. You are so lucky your not her! i mean, at least your only a sophomore! she's a senior." and i would just sit there. because it literally just made me mad the way she was acting. ugh.

haha but yes mine is pink! there were like 12 different choices for colors! it took me forever to decide what color i wanted! haha

Nov 27, 2011
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That is so interesting! Did you meet her while you were recovering or recently?
Why did she wait so long to have surgery, do you know?

One of the girls on my team 2 years ago tore hers, but she graduated 2 years ago so I did not have her around to talk to, though I did get to talk to her when she came back for break.
Then this year another girl tore hers after I did, and so she will eventually have surgery after swiming, and we'll go through it together (I'll probebly have surgery before her)!

Yours is pink?? That is so cool! Mine is just black :) Mine did not come in any other colors, but I did see some that did! I only wear one on the one I tore this year because I wanted to finish the season on it. I don’t wear one for my reconstructed knee.

Nov 27, 2011
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Jael
by: Kennedy

None of my therapists had torn there ACL's so i didn't get that personal level from my therapists. but i did meet a girl that tore hers. it was weird because she was the best volleyball player on our rivals team, and she was going to a division 1 school to play volleyball. and we were going to be playing them in the regional, and they had knocked us out in a really close game the year before. and she tore her's like 3 weeks before the regional, and then i tore mine 1 week before the regional. and we were talking about it, and she had this amazing attitude. i was really impressed by it! but then she just had surgery again like 2 weeks ago :(

ya, i know, it seems crazy that i'm already a junior! haha

and yes, i definitely play with a brace! i would be hurt all the time if i didn't have one!!! but mine is pink!! haha

Nov 27, 2011
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Kennedy
by: Jael

Yes! Exactly! Its really hard for anyone who has not gotten this injury to understand! That is why my one therapist was really great (2 different therapist at my clinic would work with me), because he tore his Acl and had surgery and rehab for it! He really was great because he knew what I was feeling and going through. My other therapist was really great too but he just did not have the personal level that the other one did. He knew what I was supposed tobe feeling butnnot what it actually felt like!

Yep! I am. I can’t belive that I only have one more year of soccer left in high school!

Do you wear a brace when you play sports?

Nov 27, 2011
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Jael
by: Kennedy

ya, i had a really hard time with the fact that my parents didn't really understand what i was going through. i mean, they were trying, it was just hard because they didn't know how to help. and it was really frustrating!

but yes i am 16 and a junior! you are too right?

Nov 26, 2011
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Kennedy
by: Jael

Mine would get sore after jumping a lot. They would also get sore after soccer games, I ended up ice both after every game and practice. I felt like a walking freezer:) After you do your jumping do they ice it or anything?

Well I don’t think they were really worried until I hurt my right (second) knee the first time, then they thought I was not fit enough or strong enough to play yet. That kind of frustrated me. It was just a fluke thing that happened, not really anything I or someone else did. And I worked very hard during therapy and after to get my legs strong! But injuries are part of the game. Don’t stop diving just because you are afraid to retear or tear your other one. You want to play to the best of your ability. And it when you are afraid and not diving correctly or jumping (whatever the case may be) that is when you will hurt it.

You are a junior this year right?

Nov 26, 2011
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Jael
by: Kennedy

Yes! My legs are always sore! but they are really sore after jumping. after volleyball games was the worst because i had been diving and jumping and everything.

were your parents really worried about you retearing? because my mom was crazy about it, she was always like, "You can't dive anymore on the volleyball court, or your going to retear." and my dad said this once, "you are obviously trying to retear because of the way your jumping!" i was like, seriously dad? i'm not trying to retear that was stupid. haha but they almost drove me crazy!!!!!

Nov 26, 2011
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Kennedy
by: Jael

It is really hard sometimes, but I know you can do it!
I hate how much your legs burn after jumping!
I did jumping off a box, and jumping from one leg to both, and just quick hops.
Are your knees sore afterward?

Nov 26, 2011
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Jael
by: Kennedy

Now i'm doing complete jump therapy. since i'm not recovering from surgery, and i don't have anything torn, they are just making sure that i know how to move and land to avoid tearing again!
i have to do 180* jumps, and i have to jump off of a step, without letting my knee cave in. and it is really hard for me, i really have to think about what i'm doing and how i'm supposed to be doing it. but my PT told me that eventually that'll all come naturally! which is good, because it's really hard! haha

Nov 26, 2011
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Kennedy
by: Jael

Oh, ok. I have never heard of that kind of therapy before! That is kinda cool!

Really? My therapist made sure that I jumped correctly and stuff for a while before ended therapy! They had me try jump roping and the first time I failed utterly!:)
I know! Just learning how to walk and balance and do normal things is so hard! Jumping was scary at first too!
Haha:) yeah that is scary. I am glad that they worked on that with me right away! What kind of things do they work with you on now?

Nov 26, 2011
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Jael
by: Kennedy

Ionto therapy is where they would put a patch onto my knee, only on to the spot that is bothering me, and insert cortizone into that part of my knee, which i don't really no what the cortizone would do, but that was the goal. then i'd have to wear this patch for like 3 hours after therapy, and i would have had to do it for 2 weeks.

my PT didn't do any jump therapy with me at all, until the very last day. i had been released and everything and i was like, "Okay, we have a problem. I'm ready to go, but i have no clue how to jump. i need you to teach me how." because it literally feels like you don't know how to do anything anymore. especially walking, haha that was so hard, and i felt like i had to relearn everything about it.
but anyway so my PT had me do a spike approach for volleyball. and then she gave me some pointers and sent me on my way!!!! Scary!!! haha
but it's a good thing that now they are working on it with me, because they wouldn't even allow me to jump at therapy, that volleyball approach was the first time i had jumped in over 8 months!

Running was hard too! I didn't get to run until about 6 months in! and i was sooooo slow. which was weird for me, because i was really fast before i got hurt! it was just very, very frustrating!

Nov 26, 2011
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Kennedy
by: Jael

It’s the worst!! When he would push it back my whole leg would shake and all my mucles would tens up!
I did those too! Definitely not fun!
What is ionto therapy?
Oh, That is interesting! Yes, get really strong! About 3 months after surgery, my therapist made me do lots of jumping stuff to make sure that I landed right.
The thing about the second time around is that I know what to expect! That is somewhat helpful, but I am afraid that this one will be different!

Nov 26, 2011
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Jael
by: Kennedy

They never had to forcefully bend my leg, they just had to straighten it. One time they had me lay on the table on my stomach and then my leg was dangling off, and he put a weight on my ankle to make it stretch straight, it was the worst feeling ever!!!

But for my other knee (i had to see a different doctor, but at the same place) he thought that my bursa sack was bleeding and had calcified, so he prescribed ionto therapy. but then when i went to see my therapist on wednesday she didn't think i needed that and started me on physical therapy again, because she thinks that both of my legs were too week, and that my hamstrings were affecting my knees. so she started me on a jump therapy (because the first time around, thats why i tore it, because of the way i was landing when i jumped, my left leg would slide in every single time, and eventually it tore) and my leg is still falling in when i jump so she said we had to fix that or i was going to tear again!!!

Nov 26, 2011
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Kennedy
by: Jael

Ouch! Yeah my therapist did that too! I hated it! It did not take that long to get it straight though. My next problem was bending it. It would get to a certain point then the back would really hurt. They would have me lay on my stomach and then he would push my foot toward my butt. OUCH! I would just press my face into the pillow. My therapist thought it might have been a hamstring strain thing from him pushing down my leg to get straight, or just scar tissue.
Like some days I can almost sit on my heels but other days I can’t go as far because the back hurts. I have not sat on my heels since my surgery!
Now I just have to go through it all over again:( Not looking forward to that, but I was to get it over with as soon a possible, but the insurance stuff is taking FOREVER!
As far as your other knee goes, have they said what that could be, or why its hurting?

Nov 26, 2011
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Jael
by: Kennedy

Venting is good!!!!! hahaha
and yes i can bend my reconstructed leg all the way back on most days, but on days where the weather is changing it hurts and i can feel the meniscus catching and stopping it! but my problem after surgery wasn't being able to bend it, it was being able to get it to go straight, it took me forever to get all the way straight. My physical therapist would literally push all of her weight on to it to make it go. worst. pain. ever.

Nov 26, 2011
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Kennedy
by: Jael

Yeah! I never get tired of hearing it or talking about it! So if you need to vent, go right ahead!:)
Exactly! I was still not completely ready by six months either! People thought I could do anything now that I was “better” but they just don’t understand how this affected me!
OK! I had some meniscus too but they left mine as well! Ok, just wondering, can you bend your reconstructed leg all the way back? Mine dose to a certain point then it feels like the back catches. I don’t know if that’s just tight muscles or the meniscus stopping it.

Nov 26, 2011
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Jael
by: Kennedy

I was just going to say that it's nice to talk to someone! Because i know my friends are definitely tired of it, because they think that since i was released six months ago im good as new, but i'm definitely not. i still talk to the teacher that completely talked me through it last year, but she's probably getting sick of hearing about it too, but she doesn't say anything so i'm not sure on that! haha
but they used a cadaver tendon to reconstruct mine, they drilled through my shin and then took out the pieces of my old tendon (but there wasn't much left) and then they looped the new one in and pulled it through. and then while my doctor was in surgery he decided that my LCL wasn't going to be able to fix itself(because he initially wasn't going to operate on it) and he trimmed off the torn parts of that because it was only slightly torn. but my meniscus(which was slightly torn too) they just left alone and it healed itself!

Nov 25, 2011
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Kennedy
by: Jael

Ugg, I hate it when practices are going on and they tell you that you can’t participate yet!
I know ! That is exactly how I feel sometimes. My knees feel old and its not cool!
OHH well when you asked about normal life, like I was just thinking about just walking (and if it pops out then). Sometimes when I will turn or something or just move in an odd way, I can feel it shift too! Like its not painful but definitely not comfortable! Once I lunged for something and planted my reconstructed knee and it wobbled a bit and that hurt!
Ouch! I really don’t know why your knee would be doing that!
Yea, the burning is just plain annoying! Like I especially feel it when I go up stairs! See, my burning they told me was my patellar tendon being inflamed because that is what they took to reconstruct with. I don’t know why your knee, especially your good knee would be doing this! Just wondering, what did the use to reconstruct your Acl?
You know what? It is really nice to talk to someone who has torn their ACL because they understand (especially someone who is also having the other things too). I think my friends are tired of hearing about my knees now and there is like no one to talk to!

Nov 25, 2011
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Jael
by: Kennedy

I'm kindof in an off season haha, my softball team is practicing twice a week, but my physical therapist doesn't want me to be hitting yet so i can't do that. but i'm just doing my therapy and working out at the gym.
and ya i HATED the popping out feeling, literally the scariest thing of my life. haha
ya stairs bother me most of the time, it was funny cause at therapy the other day my therapist was like, "how do your knees feel today?" and i was like, "I feel like an old person." and she like nodded her head like that was normal. great. haha
but the main reason i asked about your knee giving out at normal times was because the other day i was with my friends, just talking, we werent even moving, and i turned (we were standing on tile) and my foot caught on the tile and i felt it pull at my ACL (hope that makes sense) but it hurt a lot too!

and i was reading your 2nd story and you were talking about the burning and stuff in your reconstructed knee, and that's almost exactly what's happening to my right knee (although it's my non reconstructed) it has gotten so bad that i can't wear jeans because the jeans are too tight around my knee and it hurts to much, or to the point where i can't bend it...

Nov 25, 2011
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Kennedy
by: Jael

Haha:P ok;) We are having two different conversations :)
Yes! I was hesitant at first! I explained a bit more in your site.
I am always afraid on really slippery things too, that might just be because now I hurt my other knee and it’s not stable though.
Yeah, I don’t know why it hurt more the second knee!
OH, I felt that too! I would be playing soccer and jump p or do something and my (Left-first) knee would feel like it would slide over, and that really scared me!
I see, so now its back to more therapy for you:) So are you in an off season now?
When I talked to my therapist about my knee sliding around, he said that I just needed it to be stronger.
Haha:P no I don’t mind questions! Umm, well sometimes stairs bother mine, but just walking its fine!

Nov 25, 2011
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Jael
by: Kennedy

(I've been anonymous the whole time. In case you were wondering. I just decided to tell you what my name was haha). Anyway, were you hesitant before you ever went back? Like sliding for me was the worst thing ever! I still can't bring myself to do it! And I'm on an 18u softball team so it's not like we dont slide! Haha. I can't believe it hurt more to year the second time! I would be playing volleyball this year and I felt my knee almost tear about so times. And each time my brace would catch it and bring I back in! But it hurt so much and each time I had to be taken out and ice and all. It was not good!!
But for my knee now they were going to do into therapy. But instead they want to start me on physical therapy and see how that does. They said that my knee wasn't supposed to be poopong out and then back in(obviously) so they are going to be strengthening me so that doesn't happen anymore!

Okay one more questiob(sorry) does your knee ever catch like when your walkin down the hallway at school, or is yours usually fine when your not playing sports?

Nov 25, 2011
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by: Jael

The above comment is mine:)

Nov 25, 2011
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To Anonymous
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OH, Hey!!
Sorry about not posting to you in a while!
It was my worst fear too! BUT, don’t let that stop you from playing or doing something! Also, stay strong!! Keep your knees very strong!
Here's my second story.
Well, my other knee was a bit achy some times and would hurt a bit. And I was wondering what that was. So, yes, there were some issues with it. I don’t know if that is the reason or not. If you read the other story you will see that I hurt it earlier in the spring season (haha, the one I told you that I got cleared for). As far as being hesitant going back into play, do you mean from the first time or after I torn the other one and started playing on it?
This one actually hurt more! The first time it just kinda felt weird. Like I said earlier the second knee I hurt it 2 different times, and I am not sure which time I actually tore it, but it hurt more than the first time.
Ouch! That sounds painful! Actually my freshman year I popped my bursa sac in my left (first acl knee), that was the year before I tore it.
What are they doing to fix that??
I hope it gets better! So like I said, keep strong!

Thanks:) I like that quote as well!

Nov 25, 2011
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To Jael
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Hey,
I am the person that commented above, you actually commented on my acl story a few months back. I am so sorry to hear about your surgery! i hope your doing okay and getting through it! i know that that was my absolute worst fear was to retear! :( i have some questions for you though, before you tore it again did it bother you a lot or did it come out of the blue? were you hesitant going back to play? (cause i know i was) did it hurt as bad as the first time?
i'm just wondering cause i am having some problems with my other knee right now and it just kinda scares me. It's not a torn ACL fortunately. My right bursa sack was bleeding inside my knee and now it has calcified, and they are just trying to get it to stop bothering me, but it's not really going away. and it is very painful!
so just some questions about your knee!
good luck with surgery!
PS. i love the quote at the bottom of your comment! :)

Nov 25, 2011
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You will make it!
by: Jael

Hey,

I tore my ACL last year as a sophmore playing soccer. It was in a pre-season tournament and I got tackled. I saw our trainer, who refered me to a therapist/athletic trainer, and he refered me to a Dr.
After an MRI I found out that I had compleatly torn my ACL.

I'll tell you what, it was very hard to wrap my mind around. I think mentaly it is harder!

But you will make it though!

I was really scared for surgery too, but once I had went through it I found that it was not nearly as bad as I thought!

One thing I would seggest is keeping up on your pain meds. If you keep taking them even thought the pain is not that bad, it will be so much better than to wait until it really hurts.

Also, Ice will be your best friend:)

So this past soccer season, my junior year, I tore my other ACL during camp. So I got a brace (probebly like yours) and played the rest of the season. I really did not have any problems but once. Mine did the same as yours did. I was kicking and my leg just went!
So I'll be haveing surgery again. We can go through it together:)
I will probebly be haveing mine in december too!

Just remember, keep your head up and don’t get down on yourself because it will all come together in the end if you put your mind to it,” said Richmond. “People will give you a lot of sympathy and tell you that you are going to be out for so long. Just brush it aside and don’t let other people get you down. Use your support system and know that you control your own destiny.”

After all, the anterior cruciate is just a ligament. The heart is a muscle.



Nov 23, 2011
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Surgery?
by: Anonymous

I promise, promise, promise that you shouldn't be scared. i mean i understand that you are, but trust me, once it's over and done with, you'll be on the road to recovery and you'll be relieved. it will hurt, i'm not going to lie to you, and you will feel pretty awful for a while after surgery. but trust me its worth it! you can do it!!!!!!
my surgery lasted about 2 hours and when i woke up the pain was AWFUL, but then they got me on my medicine and i slept for about a week straight and i started to feel better. I didn't feel great, i didn't feel great for a long time actually, but i felt better.
and definitely try to prepare yourself mentally, because my person experience is that it was one of the hardest things i've ever had to go through mentally. like there were literally days where i would just sit and cry. and there were days where i didn't want to do therapy and i didn't think it was fair. but you just have to push through it, and realize how strong you are for being able to do something like this at such a young age!
i went back to my physical therapy office today to do some stuff for my knees again(different injury though) and i was sitting there and i realized that i was literally the only person in the room that was under the age of 80! so be proud of yourself because a lot of teenagers don't know what it's like and don't really know how to handle what your going through...my best advice is to talk to someone you really trust and who can talk you through it. that's what i did, i actually talked to one of my teachers, and she helped me through it so much, like without her in honestly wouldn't have recovered to the potential that i did! but good luck, i promise surgery will go fine and you'll be on to therapy before you know it! think positive, and work hard!!! :)

Nov 21, 2011
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Re:Surgery?
by: Paige (author)

I am having the type where you take out your own hamstring and use that. That's what my doctor most recommended. My surgery's scheduled on the 9th of December. Just getting ready mentally, not working too well. I wake up every night with nightmares, some times screaming :/

Nov 14, 2011
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Surgery?
by: Anonymous

What kind of surgery are you doing? are you using your own ligament or are you getting a cadaver?
FYI i am a 16 year old junior in high school and tore my ACL last Oct. I went with the cadaver tendon, and now 1 year later i am back playing in everything-it still bothers me and i have to wear a brace but at least i'm back! Good luck!

Oct 25, 2011
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Thanks!
by: Bart-SII

Thanks for sharing your story Paige. It always helps to be able to talk about the injury and what you are worried about with your upcoming surgery and recovery. The pain is usually moderate and is different for every person. Because you have been injured before, you probably have a better understanding of the pain associated with the injury. It is usually not too bad the first day because of the anesthesia and medications, but then gets worse the second or third day. But after about a week to 10 days, it really goes down as your body gets through the inflammation period of healing.

There are a lot of great posts here that talk about the surgery procedure, what to expect, and great tips for surviving the first few weeks when you are on crutches and then into rehab. Read through them and ask questions...most people are glad to provide feedback.

Keep us posted on how you do with surgery.

Bart

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