Question - Knee Bone On Bone

by David

I am 52 years old, meniscus torn up in both knees. I had arthroscopy on both knees, but the doctor said if I keep playing basketball, I will need knee replacement in 2 years. Hurts a lot to play. I can't do anything that I was doing even 6 months ago. I want to keep playing, however, but I cannot even walk down the stairs properly. The right knee is "bone on bone."

Any suggestions?

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May 20, 2008
An "unloader" brace may help
by: Bart - SII

If you are bone on bone, then it won't be long until you need a replacement - however, there are some things that you can do to prolong the inevitable.

One is to significantly reduce your activity levels. This can help prolong the life of the knee. However, sometimes giving up sports is worse than the pain.

One thing you may talk to your physician about is an unloader brace for your knee. This type of brace is basically designed to take stress off of either the medial or lateral sides of the knee. It does this by angling the top and bottom pieces of the brace in different directions to cause either side of the knee to release pressure.

This type of brace usually has to be specially fit by either an Athletic Trainer, Physical Therapist, or a brace rep. And they can be a little pricey, so a prescription from your physician would allow for you to run it through insurance.

Other things you might consider asking about are Hyalgen or Synvisc injections - these have been shown to help prolong the knee replacement process as well.

Hope this helps - comment back if you have other questions.

Feb 08, 2009
cold lasier for knee pain
by: Anonymous

someone sugusted cold laser for my bone to bone knee pain. are there any information on this treatment?

Jun 07, 2009
BAD KNEE
by: Anonymous

HAS ANYONE USED AN UNLOADER BRACE AND DID IT WORK

Aug 27, 2009
Unloader brace
by: Anonymous

I have an unloader knee brace prescribed by my orthopedic Dr. and fitted by the nice knee brace lady. It does help, not a lot, but some. I'm 55 and play outfield on a "masters" softball team. The brace helps absorb some of the shock I put on my knee while running, so if you're thinking about getting one you probably should. Mine cost close to $800, but insurance covered it.

Aug 27, 2009
bone to bone
by: Anonymous

I was diagnostic by an orthopedic doctor than my left knee was almost bone to bone, I'm planning to get the SYNVISC ONE shot is that a good idea or is another treatment for my condition, my right knee is starting to deteriorate also. I was a very active soccer player now I can't not even run.

Aug 27, 2009
Knee injections
by: Brian

I feel your pain soccer player. I'm the senior softball player who commented earlier today about the unloader brace. I think it would be a good idea to go with the injection. It sounds like the Synvisc One is only one shot. I had a series of five injections of Supartz which, I believe, is similar. I started getting my injections (one per week for five weeks) just a few weeks after my second knee operation to remove some loose cartilage. My knee was still in the healing stage, so to be honest, I really couldn't tell if the injections did that much good. But that being said, if you're nearly bone on bone like myself any lubrication is a good thing. Also it allegedly is safe to get over and over so if it's lubricating our knees it's a no brainer right? :) I will be getting more shots this winter. I also take my Glucosamine every morning. By the way the first injection didn't hurt a bit, but the second was rather painful but not too bad.

Oct 01, 2009
synvics injections
by: Anonymous

Both of my knees have very little cartlidge left, and my Dr. said that I don't have any left behind my knees. He wanted to do knee replacements right away, but I refused because I'm only 45 and very active. So I had the Synvisc 3 injections ( 1 shot per week for 3 weeks) last year, at first it hurt, but then the pain started going away. I continued working out, mostly exercise bike and if I started to feel any pain I would stop. It's almost a year later and I'm just now starting to have some pain again like last year. While I'm still not going to have surgery yet, I am going to go get another shot, and hopefully get the Synvisc one this time. For me, I'm waiting as long as possible before I have to have my knees replaced. It's worth a try before having any kind of surgery

Oct 11, 2009
bone on bone
by: Anonymous

i had lubriant shots an cortisone shot i,m wearing a uploader brace , after a few hours it hurts an i can,t walk without a limp, i walk on concrete all day in grocery store what else can i do to help with pain

Oct 15, 2009
Supartz injections
by: Harry

I have had a series of supartz injections in both knees. The relief has been short term. I am also interested in an unloader knee brace. The concept seems practical. I bought a couple of over the counter types but they don't really provide much relief. Has anyone had positive results from being fitted with a custom unloader knee brace? What type was it?

Oct 25, 2009
Knee brace
by: Anonymous

I"ve had positive results with a custom unloader knee brace? Don-Joy. It adjusts from 3% to 7 %. It helps, I'm still getting used to wearing it.

Nov 02, 2009
bone on bone
by: too young for this

Ok so I'm 25 played volleyball inn college, have had 5 arthroscopic knee surgeries, 3 on the left 2 on the right. Already bone on bone, on both of my knees. I haven't had a surgery since 2003, recently my right knee has really started bothering me, its swollen, hurts all the time just had an xray done and they said there is no cartilage left. Is there an age you have to be before you can start getting those shots, around here they do a hyalgine shot. What do you guys think my best option is???

Nov 03, 2009
BONE ON BONE
by: Anonymous

I am the original guy who posted the question over two years ago. I am now 54 years old and I am playing basketball 3 times a week... pain free. I had arthroscopic on both knees one and a half years ago. I have taken glucosamine/condroitrin. I don't know if this does it, but my doc said it could not hurt. I do believe it started new growth. I have also worked on building my thighs up to absorb what the knee was taking. The body can do amazing things...at any age. Best to ya.

Nov 10, 2009
Knee replacement
by: Anonymous

I have an unloader, but really hard to tell if it works. Had arthroscopic surgery, but still have pain because I am bone on bone on the inner side of my left knee. Had my right knee replaced 6 months ago and have no pain. Having synvisc one tomorrow and hope it helps my pain. I am 53 years old. I work in groceries stores all day and drive a truck. Not good for the knees.

Jan 14, 2010
Synvisc for Bone on Bone Knee Pain
by: Anonymous

I'm 59 and I am "almost" bone on bone in my right knee. I had the Synvisc 3 injections. Immediately after the first injection, I was completely pain free - I thought it was a miracle. I had two more, one week apart. But - the pain slowly came back after about two months. I had a Synvisc 1 injection, and it did not really do anything; I wonder if it did not get into exactly the right spot and the Synvisc 3 injections did get into the right spot?

Feb 16, 2010
Stairs after Knee Replacement
by: David




Hi, just got the news that I need knee replacement, Doc said no reason to but Synvsic in because my knee is bone on bone, wants to do replace in few weeks. I’m 54 years old and work a Wastewater Treatment Plant. I read that when you have any dental work done you need to take antibiobics for a while, I worry about infections working at a treatment plant. Also the big thing that a worry about is I have to go up and down 4 flights of stairs about 10 times a day carring things. My Doc wants to put the Rotating Platform Knee in, said NO PROBLEM YOU WILL BE BACK @ WORK IN 4 MONTHS Everything that I read on the forums and people a I talk to really don’t back that up. Anyone out there that has went back to work in under 6 months and doing stairs ???

Mar 01, 2010
Knee replacement doing great
by: Debbie

I am a 53 year old woman and had a partial knee replacement 2 years ago. Mine was caued from a surgery 25 years earlier while skiing. I had reached a point of pain and being unable to navigate stairs. After the surgery and therapy I was back to work in 6 weeks and up and down stairs and have had virtually no problems since. My leg is slightly crooked from the knee down due to the partial being a larger gap on one side then the normal knee.

Apr 09, 2010
Morton's Foot
by: Posturepro

Your feet create a lot of torque in the knee. If you get more pain when you're in your golf shoes (cleats) or in shoes with rubber soles compared to leather, you know that your foot mechanics is a contributing factor. This usually amplifies if you have Morton's Foot Syndrome. You can easily recognise it by a deeper space between your first and second toe compared to the space between the second and third. This foot type is known to cause a lot of joint and muscle pain throughout the body, but the knee often takes the brunt of it. By compensating for this foot type you can reduce the torque, get more even loading on the knee so the pressure becomes properly distributed across the joint. Althogh you will still have knee damage, you may find that you can delay knee replacement by many years. It can make a substantial difference.

Apr 14, 2010
Synvics One
by: KJP

I had the Synvics One shot (not sure if I spelled that right, but the point is it did not work for me and I practically had to crawl out of the office after having it. I am not sure where to go from here. I am 48 and overweight, which I know does not help the problem. I played softball til I was 40, so many years of sliding into home and running on the hard red dirt wasted the right knee. I am hoping to find another alternative than surgery to help with the pain I carry around every day. The brace sounds good, but is this something I could wear under dress slacks that would not be noticed.

Apr 20, 2010
left knee
by: Anonymous

im 36 and a coal miner left knee is bone to bone.I hurt it at work,will i be able to go back.

Apr 30, 2010
hope it helps
by: Mr. Knee pain

I understand your pain completely. I am 31 and I play basketball daliy. I had partially tore my acl when I was 13 and completely tore it and my meniscus when I was 20. I have had reconstruction and a scope done on my left knee. I have bone on bone where part of my lateral meniscus was shaved. I was not told about the pain I would have in about 2 years which would stop me from passing physicals to play professionally. I have degenerative arthritic changes in the lateral compartment of my left knee, and I have learned that supplements, and knee sleeves don't really help. But I have a Donjoy knee brace(unloader), and I have been receiving prolotherapy which has been very helpful for me. I do certain resistance exercises, with resistance bands not weights, and stretches. With the resistance bands I do straight leg kicks in all four directions(standing up), and multi-directional defensive side steps. I also use a small trampoline to do one legged squats, which I must warn, is not as easy as it sounds, but very benifical. I hope this info helps, and the best of luck to you with your knee problems.

Jul 05, 2010
KNEE PAIN
by: Anonymous

DOCTOR SAID I NEED A KNEE REPLACEMENT WENT THOUGH THE THREE SYNVISC INJECTION HAD MY KNEE FLUID DRAINED THREE TIMES BEEN 3 WEEKS SINCE THE SYNVISC INJECTIONS NOW HURTS BEHIND THE KNEE. ALSO SOMETIMES HAVE SHARP PAIN IN THE KNEE AND ALSO SWELLON BELOW THE KNEE IS THAT ALL THERE IS A KNEE REPLACEMENT I ALSO HAD FIVE INJECTION FOR THE PAIN. I'M ALSO LIKE ALOT OF PEOPLE STAND EIGHT HOURS A DAY WEAR STEEL TOE SHOES AND WALK ON CEMENT

Jul 17, 2010
can it be fixed?
by: codie

Hi, im a 23 year old guy, i was a bricklayer. 15 months ago a bobcat driver reversed up, hitting the brickwall i was working on, knocking the wall over and onto me. I underwent a arthroscopic knee surgerie, they removed the lose bone and cartlidge from my knee. now i have bone rubbing on bone which causes me pain, i struggle to walk, sit in confined spaces where i cant extend my leg. I have had 2 Synvisc injections, 5 cortisone injections. they have not worked, i take Glucosamine and pain killers everyday to help, but so far have noticed no difference at all from the Glucosamine, perhaps because ive just started to take it. I have been refused a knee replacement because of my age, the doctors have told me im to young. I was told how ever that i could possible have a operation where they take cartildge from my other knee, send it off to a lab to grow more, then try to graft it to my left knee to put some cartlidge between the bones again. Im told its very painful and not garented to work. Has anyone had a operation like this done? How painful is it? And what chances are there of, of it being sucessful?

Sep 07, 2010
bone on bone; so far not a big deal
by: Anonymous

I'm 67. Most likely wore away knee cartilage running 30K+ miles over many years. Doc says no cartilage in left knee; some still in right knee. I'm 5-10; weigh just over 140 and ride a bike about 250 miles a week with a fast moving group. I really don't have much pain in either knee except if I run...after a long layoff. Resuming some light running, barefoot on soft sand..pain seems to diminish over time. This is no doubt idiotic..but I love to run a little bit now and then. Also not the knee with cartilage seems to hurt more than the one without..so maybe I'll run that knee down to bone too lol.

Sep 07, 2010
typo...
by: Anonymous

Delete "not" from the last sentence of my previous post. i.e., the knee with cartilage hurts more than the one without cartilage.

Also not the knee with cartilage seems to hurt more than the one without..so maybe I'll run that knee down to bone too lol.

Sep 09, 2010
new info
by: Anonymous

Continuing my last post, FYI..Yesterday, I walked on hard sand, barefoot, as the tide was low. Last night I had quite a bit of stiffness and pain in my left knee. I took an Ibuprofun and my knee was OK in the AM and I went on a 70 mile bike ride w/no problem. However, in light of pain after beach walk on har sand, I will consider limiting or deleting the run option..and will wear shoes if I can't walk on softer sand. Clearly my knees aren't invincible!

Oct 10, 2010
For Codie
by: Lindaloo

This is for Codie and anyone else who has gotten hurt on the job. Make sure you report it so worker's comp will pay for anything that need's to be done.My husband tore his meniscus in his knee and it got so bad he could not work. Had surgery did not help. Has been fighting worker's comp. for 5 years for back pay and a settlement. It finally paid off this year.Now he is gearing up to have knee replacement surgery.No matter how little the hurt is on the job make sure you report it the day it happen's. My husband had stepped down into a hole from his work truck and twisted his leg. That is what caused his torn meniscus. If he had not reported this incident when it happen, we would have lost everything we have worked so hard for. Because worker's comp. will not do anything for you if you do not report the accident. Good luck to everyone

Oct 18, 2010
Doctors regrow knee from scratch
by: 43 years on BK Amputee


Read this story

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1283658/Doctors-regrow-knee-scratch-pioneering-procedure.html

Nov 18, 2010
DonJoy Brace
by: Crys

I am 33 yr old overweight female. I had an complete ACL tear at age 15 an played softball for many years. Now I am rt knee bone on bone. Had extensive surgery this summer to try to promote bone grow via bone shaving. It failed miserably. I have the DonJoy brace and it does not help at all with the pain I experience, however, it does help with the swelling. (odd) It is very bulky and impossible to hide under medical scrubs (which are typically more loose fitting than traditional clothing.) I too have been refused a knee replacement... But what about the career I have worked so hard for, the children I have to raise? I have a hard time working and rarely even go to the grocery store or shopping anymore because I cannot deal with the pain it causes. I refuse to take narcotic medication and NSAIDS have eaten away my stomach lining. Any ideas anybody???

Nov 24, 2010
33 year old knee
by: Brian

Hi Crys. Maybe you should get a second opinion. If your knee is as bad as you say, it sounds like you're a candidate for an artificial knee, but I imagine it'll have to be replaced down the road when it wears out. If I were you, I would try to keep the knee you have for as long as possible. You might try taking glucosamine every day, which is what I do and I think it helps. BTW I am bone on bone, I can hear the bones rubbing together when I walk. I'm also 56 years old. Another thing I did was take five injections of Supartz about two months ago which adds lubrication to the joint. Besides being noisy, my knee fills great. I can even run, although I do my running on an elliptical. You also need to strengthen your quads which help support the knee. Most importantly you need to lose weight. If you're 50 lbs overweight, multiply 50 times the number of steps you take each day. That's how many extra lbs your knee is dealing with. There are no easy fixes. Join a gym and start burning calories. Burn more than you consume! Supartz lasts about six months. If you have good insurance, get a prescription knee brace. Good luck, take charge.

Nov 29, 2010
Seeing the Doc tomorrow...
by: M.Rohrs

Does anyone know what makes/or brakes you as a candidate for Synvisc? I have been getting cortizone injections every 3 months since January 2010. I am never pain free; I take Ultram daily. My right knee is collapsing inward (I look like a dork) I cycle 100+ miles a week, use the eliptical am not overweight. I am planning a cross-country ski week in January and would like the treatment I get tomorrow to hold for this trip. Longest lasting pain relief injection is?

Jan 08, 2011
What about old folks?
by: Anonymous

Im asking with that heading because my 86 year old father is in mostly terrific shape but his knees are bone on bone, college ball, marines and 86 years old wore them out. He is against replacement at his age even though many peers have had hips done and some knees but when in their 70s ( thats young to them). I keep hearing terms like "Liquid Knee" and gel injectable for knees that transforms a persons life. Is it all false testimonials paid for? Anyone have a FIRST step idea I can give my Dad?. Has anyone truly heard of an injectable thing that cushions like original cartiledge did? He has been so active but now, stairs are making him stop things he loves to do, he has to factor in stairs or walking into each plan, there must be someone who knows something. Thanks in advance. He could make 100 if he can get help with knees, but the pain he has and the altering of his life has some depression I think, and he never had that. Its the knees, always the knees. The rest is sharp as a tack and full of energy. Please someone give me a direction to start him in??
Donna is my name.

Jan 24, 2011
bone on bone
by: Anonymous

I have had the synvisc one injections and they do help with pain and mobility. Have also used Euflexa injections and Synvisc 3 all with good results. Have not had one in about a year now. I am finding the swimming pool great therapy for my knee. I swim approx 1 to 1 1/2 miles a day about 6 days a week and i also started a walking/running program in the pool. My results have been incredible. Before I started my hydro therapy I had to use a walking stick and sometimes crutches. Now i am fairly mobile without the aids of crutches or the walking stick. Losing extra weight also helped, and I am continuing to lose more weight. Eventually I will need a knee replacement I have no cartilage left.

Feb 14, 2011
Just Adding
by: fredfarkel

I have had three meniscus operation on my left knee. It kept locking up, so the doctor went in there and trimmed it up some. Now, two years and three operations later, I am a candidate for a TKR. I am 60, and have been very active in playing handball and other sports, so the question is: will it be over for me, playing these active sports (with the exception of extreme shuffleboard, LOL)? Just to say I did, tomorrow I have an appointment to get the Synvisc One shot and hope to get lucky (I am bone on bone). Anybody have the TKR and able to return to "normal" activity?

Feb 15, 2011
activity after TKR
by: GK

same as just adding - wanted to know what the experience is after TKR. Got scoped about about 5 years ago. now 55 and after years of basketball on the playgrounds of NYC, competitive squash, etc. etc, i am relegated to the stationary bike. Was told that i also have the dreaded bone on bone, but do not want TKR now, if possible. Anyway, if anyone knows what life is like after TKR, would love to hear something good.

Feb 18, 2011
off load brace
by: steve

I am 64 years old, and had 2 arthoscopic surgeries on my right knee about 6 years ago. I was still experiencing pain afterwards, and could hardly walk any distance at all without extreme discomfort. Went back to the orthopedic surgeon and he said I had bone on bone in that same knee, and there was nothing he could do short of a TKR. He suggested taking aspirin every morning and " learn to live with it ".
I went to another Ortho guy for a second opinion and he recommended the off load brace. This was a miracle ! Within 30 days of using the brace, I had no pain at all and was able to resume all activity. Although the brace was a little bulky, it fit under my work slacks, and I was able to wear it for work with no problems.
After 30 days, I discontinued the brace, and the pain stayed away. The muscles in the leg must have been stretched or strengthened because of the brace, and the bone on bone angle must have been changed.
I highly recommend the brace to try before going to more drastic steps !

Feb 19, 2011
brace
by: GK

thanks steve - my doctor had mentioned the unloader brace, but i never followed up on it. glad to hear that it worked for you. i will definitely check it out. it is a drag living in pain, as you know.

Mar 10, 2011
Supartz Injections
by: Anonymous

2 years ago, I had 5 Supartz injections which didn't hurt and were very successful. Just recently, the knee started to hurt again. I am thinking of getting the injections again. Anything to put off getting a full knee replacement. Don't let doctors talk you into getting a half knee replacement.

Mar 18, 2011
Tibial Osteotomy
by: Jill

I was reading through some of the posts and I might be able to help a bit. I had a scope on my right knee 10 years to clean it up. It is now bone on bone and I will have an osteotomy done on it in July. The tibial osteotomy is for younger people (I am 54) who are very active. If you get a knee replacement at this stage your activity is somewhat limited because you do not want to do any damage to your knee. I have been using an unloading brace when I ski, hike, etc.

My left knee is now acting up and I am going to have it scoped next week. I assume I will get 10 years out of this knee.

I used to be a long distance runner and I have just worn out the cartilage. I have not run in 10 years trying to preserve my knees but I do hike a lot (Kilimanjaro, Peru, Argentina, etc) and it has been OK. I also ski a lot in the winter.

The tib osteotomy will move the bone onto new cartilage and after a long rehab (6 months) with physio and working with a trainer, I think it will be great. That is what I have heard anyway.


Mar 27, 2011
knee piain
by: melissa

i have to have asynvisc one shot i have osteoarthritis in both knees i have already havehad 2 surgeries on both knees and iam 42 years old , if this doesnt work i am going to have a left knee replacement...... should i do it or not dont know very scared.....

Mar 27, 2011
knee piain
by: melissa

i have to have asynvisc one shot i have osteoarthritis in both knees i have already havehad 2 surgeries on both knees and iam 42 years old , if this doesnt work i am going to have a left knee replacement...... should i do it or not dont know very scared.....

Mar 27, 2011
TKR
by: fredfarkel

Well, the Synvisc One didn't work, so I am opting for the knee replacement. I told my ortho that I wanted either the LeBron James or Kobe Bryant model.... Wish me luck

Mar 31, 2011
Delaying knee replacement
by: Anonymous

Nobody wants a knee replacement, especially if you are in your 30s or 40s, as they only last maybe 20 years and second knee replacements are less successful. Two ladies I know (ages 50 and 70) both recently had knee replacement and say all their pain is gone. Both apparently had knee replacements after a single cartilage tear. So apparently their doctors were not into wasting their time with scope surgeries. Both are overweight too. My last scope lasted five years and was great, but after a recent scope I now fear I am getting bone on bone (age 55). Doc says I am prime candidate for injection to delay replacement and help me stay active. Playing soccer is over, but I still love refereeing the game. Make sure your doctor is highly recommended in the area. Any extra cost will be worth it.

Mar 31, 2011
TKR is a GO!!
by: fredfarkel

My surgery for TKR is set for the 21st of April. I am 60, so I guess that's the "golden" year that makes this surgery necessary. I am very active in a young man's game (handball) consistantly playing with people in their 20's and 30's. Obviously, I lost most of ability to get to the ball, so I am hoping that, at least, the constant pain will go away. Extreme shuffleboard, here I come! Wish me luck...

Apr 01, 2011
knee pain
by: hw200

Hi I'm a 43 year old female triathlete (or was). I had both knees scoped and the R one is bone on bone. I'm a landscaper and find by lunchtime I can barely walk. I end up dragging my right leg along. I'm getting an unloading brace and am really counting on this to enable me to continue working and get back to racing!
Has anyone tried running competitively with these problems??

Apr 02, 2011
Knee Repacement vs. Osteotomy
by: Jill

Look into the HTO instead of the knee replacement. It will give you years more on your knees before you have to do the replacement. For active people this is much better.

Apr 27, 2011
bone on bone
by: Anonymous

Well I had a Giant Cell Tumor 20 years go it was cancer capsalated did not spread so doc took it out then came back but never to return now the also fixed a torn maniscus 3 times so they took an mri seen that my knee is bone on bone torn acl and need a knee replacment so in the mean time my knee does give out from time to time pain is really when iam on it alot and when iam sleeping so my question to u is how to deal with this pain till i get the surgery

Jun 16, 2011
too young for total knee replacement
by: Anonymous

I have a workers comp claim for a multiple body parts injury.
1 thing for sure if you have a workers comp claim to have an attorney & the sure thing you need to do is get your paperwork filed on time by the 1 year mark timely.
I learned today that I have bone on bone on my left knee and I depend on my right knee for stability.
60 years young & too young for a total knee replacement .

my new orthopedic doctor wants to try unloader brace & the 3 injections because a total knee replacement only has a life of 15 years.
my pain doctor gives me a hard time because he thinks the vicodin should still works that he has me on for years - face the fact it is no longer working. But he doesn't seem to understand I need something else for the pain.
Vicodin can't last forever-listen to your patients for how they feel. my pain level is a now a 10 plus.
Any input on the brace & injection?
I am so happy I have workers comp to cover the expenses .
my prescriptions expenses are over $1,000 monthly.

Jun 24, 2011
Advice for fellow knee pain sufferers
by: Anonymous

Hi Guys

Here is my advice for what it is worth from a fellow knee sufferer.. I am a 52 year old male who has had numerous surgeries on my right knee.. ACI (cell transplantation) / Trufit plugs etc. From experience what I have found is that if you have an arthoscopic (key-hole) surgery then that's not too bad. However anything that involves 'open surgery' with a large incision, please think carefully before you have it, particularly the older you are. Often the scar tissue causes a lot of problems and you can be worse off than before you had the surgery. If it's a knee replacement because you are in severe pain and you can't walk then that's another matter. For may people it is an absolute god-send. However, if you can walk ok, sometimes you have to accept that it may be better to just limit your activities. Don't have surgery just for the sake of it. If you are getting knee pain, some of these may help you first:

1. Take glucosamine daily 1500mg. I'm not sure how much it does help, but it is supposed to:
2. Simple daily straight leg bracing / tightening your quads - can fire them up (removing that aggravating/ gnawing pain) and will keep them strong and protect your knees
3. Non-weight bearing activities like cycling can really build up your quads and again protect your knees

Good luck folks and all the best fellow knee pain sufferers

xxx


Jul 06, 2011
My knee pain acts up out of the blue sporatically
by: Anonymous

I had arthroscopic surgery over 20 years ago worked like a charm w a torn miniscus and acl etc..

but now at 51 all of a sudden my knee felt like it popped..and i couldn't move or walk..

Have any of you felt what felt like a loose nerve ending that is trying to connect and feels like fire going off in your knee cap but intermittantly for no reason..???? Then it locks? and pops and you cant get it comfortable... My dr said glucosimine wont help YOU..you will eventually need a knee replacement but I go to the gym 5 days a week do the bike, weights, and line dance. I am the right weight but sometimes the wind is knocked out of me w the sudden pain. I cant even sleep because there is no comfortable postion.
I can barely move it in the last week and i swear the cortisone shot made it inflamed and way worse. Should my next step be that supartz or synvisc thing you all mention? tell him to clean out my knee and look inside? or that uploader brace..its really upsetting me as i feel like im 95 years old because of it..thanks..

Jul 06, 2011
KNEE TKR
by: fredfarkel

Ok, I had knee replacement on the 21st of April. I am doing fine and have made a remarkable recovery (that is my doctor's and PT's comments). I mastered going down stairs about 3 weeks ago, which is quite an accomplishment.
I am 60, and for the last 38 years, have played various sports, especially handball.
About 4 years ago, I had a locking incident on my left knee (it had been doing this every so often over this time frame). Three athroscopic surgeries later (also had SYNVISC twice and numerous cortisone shots) , I was told by four doctors (it's important to get at least a second opinion)that I had severe arthritis and narrowing between the tibia and femur.
If the doctor takes a MRI (x-rays can "see" arthritis, but not soft tissue damage) and says you have arthritis, do whatever he suggests to lessen your pain. The longevity of the titanium is about 15 years, dependent on how it was attached, plus the wear and tear. Doctor's will try to put it off until you are at least 60, due to this...
Just to let you know, unofficially, I played a little handball while wearing a heavy brace (to prevent lateral movement). I have stopped that until the end of July (I still am receiving PT and swim). Good Luck!!

Jul 12, 2011
Beware knee replacements if under 60 years old
by: Awondergal

I feel fortunate my husband found an orthopedic surgeon with integrity. My husband is 58 and is bone-on-bone in both knees from 30 years climbing telephone poles. The doc said if he did a knee replacement at 58 years old, they would wear out before the end of his life (assuming a normal life span) and that the scenario of replacing a knee replacement is not favorable. He suggested the Hyalurgen (whatever) injections. Series of 5. Two months later he is doing much better. Not pain free, but able to walk 2 miles a day again. He will repeat the injections in 6 months, as insurance allows.

Jul 28, 2011
Knee replacement at 50
by: Anonymous

I've had two knee scopes in last 15 years, one for meniscus tear, and 6months months ago for removal of large arthritic mass removal. New xrays show bone on bone of that knee. Will have my last of three Euflexxa shots today, and also wearing offloader brace. This all seems like just a patch for the inevitable knee replacement. My line of thinking is, better to have to ride around on a scooter at 65-70 than to continue with this quality of life (or lack thereof) now when I'm younger. I mean, correct me if my logic is not sound here, but it seems to me the answer would be if I do not get relief from the shots and I don't want to wear this brace forever...then knee replacement is the way to go for quality of life now.

Jul 30, 2011
out of nowhere!
by: kny

I am a 59 year old female had some knee pain 10 years ago. Got a cortisone shot was fine..four months ago my right knee swelled and hurt..went to doctor he drained it.. got x-rays nearly bone on bone very painful.. going to pt really not improving.. using lots of biofreeze helps a bit..the pain after walking/standing is nearly unbearable after 10 minutes.. doctor wants to try euflexxa or knee replacement..so painful and confused..does pt help in time??

Aug 18, 2011
cold laser
by: Anonymous

Cold laser treatment will NOT cure or help bone-on-bone symptoms. The only person that would off such advise is a quack that has no clue regarding the pain or the condition. My guess it was a Chiropractor Quack.

Aug 19, 2011
Successful Knee replacement
by: Anonymous

I was bone on bone, took various NSADS and pain meds, had cortizone shots (6), had synvis shot. Decided to go ahead with knee replacement. Surgery in June, tough physical therapy to regain flexion. Now at 130 degrees. Actually rode my road bike for 30 "flat" miles in August. I will say I did have significant swelling after bike ride for several days. Would have the surgery again but want to caution that recovery is difficult (not impossible) but having a knee free of pain is awesome! By the way, I do want to mention that during surgery my siatic nerve was severed 75 percent. The neuro doctor who evaluated me said that this is an unususal injury but is the nature of the beast. My right foot (surgery side) is numb on the outside, continues to my heal and creeps up the outside of my leg. I have been prescribed "gabapentin" to hopefully relieve the pain and burning I experience in the foot if I stand or walk too long. This is unfortunate; but I am cautiosly optimistic that I will get some of this feeling back. The neuro doctor says could be six months to a year!

Sep 24, 2011
Synvisv
by: Saffish

Had arthroscopic surgery in right knee in feb. 2011 for torn meniscus , relief was instant the day after, felt great, but only for 2 months, more pain, 2 cortisone shots, second one did not help, then got the Synvics 1 shot (chicken shot) over a month ago, it HAS NOT helped yet, and I can barely walk at all. Took so much Ibuprofin my colon perforated, now I need colon resectioning surgery very soon. Since I had no other symptoms regarding the colon, the only thing the doc thinks caused the perforation was the overuse of Ibuprofin, prescribed by my orthopedic guy. I just had another MRI, now shows bone on bone and I will need a partial knee replacement. I can not take anything for pain, due to the colon issues, and I have a drug store of topical ointments such as DMSO, Topricin, Biofreeze, aspercreme, arnica, EMU , etc. I am terrified at the thought of knee replacement. Also, allergic to shellfish, so no glucosamine chondroitin for me.

Sep 30, 2011
48 - contemplaing TKR
by: Murano

I have used the Unloader brace. It doesnt help alleviate the pain. it has to be worn outside of clothing and is uncomfortable to the other parts of the leg. I have bone on bone. slightly overweight. Pain is unbearable while taking long walks, shopping in big box stores and shopping mall is horrendous. Cortisone shots never helped much and last one blew out my peroneal nerve all the way down to my foot. Concerned. about the pain and recovery time needed for TKR. Any younger patients out there who have had TKR?

Oct 02, 2011
Be positive and exhaust all first
by: Barbara

About four months ago i,wrote on,here because I was in,agonizing, pain..bone on, bone..severe arthritis ..locked up and was told to replace it immeadiatly I am 51. I decided to do my way (I have a very high tolerence for pain,tho) two drs said it was one of the worst cases theyd seen due to a severe car accident when I was younger.
I iced it..took anti inflammatories..heated it w a heating pad every night and hired a trainer in fort laud who has worked w me only 6 x and ends my traing w physical therapy. I did squats and step ups for the first time yesterday.,i love him for it.,I will replace my knee eventually but for those w out a weight issue do all that furst and exhaust everything. I went from not being able to get to my car in the parking,lot to squats im ecstatic. and the cortisobe shot..hurt me more, than helped it inflamed it so be careful w those. Good luck..the burning pain and locking was the worst pain ever .!!!

Oct 02, 2011
KNEE THERAPY
by: Anonymous

I agree with everything Barbara just said. I'm 57, nearly bone on bone. There are no magic pills or cures. I wear an unloader brace, and it does help, and yes I wear it under my pants and it's easy to get used to. You have to add muscle around your knee which helps the joint. Physical therapy is not easy nor fun, but they will show you how to strengthen your knee which helps with walking and running. When I first started squats, it was painful to squat without weights, but now I do three sets of ten with 135 lbs. I play outfield on four different men's senior league softball teams. I understand cortisone shots will eat away at your remaining cartilage and it's only a bandaide for the pain anyway. I have had good results with the rooster comb injections. (Supartz) The results are not dramatic, but they help and the injections really aren't too painful, sometimes not painful at all.

Oct 02, 2011
TKR Five Months Post
by: fredfarkel

I am 60 and had a TKR on the 21st of April, 2011. I am happy to announce that I am playing handball with no pain!

Use to be a handfull of Vicondin'santi-inflammatories and even that wasn't helping. As they have said on this posts, watch your intake of anti-inflammatories and pain pills. Eventually, the SAIDs will bore a hole in your stomach, plus you will build up an immunity to the effects of the pain pills.

If anyone would like more info on this, please respond to this post...

Oct 02, 2011
Synvisc 1
by: saffish

Got the chicken shot on August 22, today is October 2, I think I have a small amount of relief, maybe the chicken shot is starting to work, I am in a lot of pain, especially when I get out of bed and when I get up from a seated position, but once I am up my limp is much less. I ventured out yesterday for the first time, to clothes shop, and was exhausted in an hour. As I mentioned, the NSAID I was taking for 4 straight months (after my knee surgery in February) caused my colon to perforate, rushed to the ER, and now I need re-sectioning surgery as soon as my colon is healthy enough to operate and remove the diseased part. So, be careful with those ibuprofen pills, they can harm you. The first knee surgery was for torn meniscus, but now the same knee needs replacement. I will put it off as long as possible.

Oct 03, 2011
Bone on Bone at 54
by: Anonymous

I'm a 54 year old female, just had menicus tear repair and I'm having so much pain now that it's starting to be unbearable. Dr. now has me doing PT cause he says I'm too young for TKR. I've had bone on bone in both knees for at least 10 years and I'm so tired of being in pain and not being able walk for very long. How long do you need to be off work for a TKR ? I am a Judicial Secretary and can sit most of the time, I think I'm ready to be pain free.


Oct 03, 2011
anonymous
by: saffish

Your physician should advise you as to how long of a recovery a TKR is. Also, my bone on bone hurts worse after being seated for a while, as well as when I get up in the morning.

Nov 11, 2011
My story, FWIW
by: Michael

I'm 78 now. I started exercising regularly when I was 35, mostly running up to 6 miles several times per week. My weight quickly dropped to normal. At age 37 I joined a local rugby team. After two years with them I injured my left medial meniscus and had open surgery over the summer break. Continued playing for five more years, then stopped when being pounced upon by people larger than me was no longer fun. I continued running, though, about 20 miles per week. Did many 10K's, and my one-and-only marathon at age 46 (3:55). A year or so later my other knee started to hurt and I had arthroscopic surgery for the meniscus. Running now being uncomfortable, I started using an exercycle 4x-5x per week, with some weight-lifting. I've been following this routine for over 25 years.

In 2002, forward knee lifts on the weight machine became painful to my left knee and accompanied by gritty grinding sounds. My ortho looked at my x-ray and commented "Based on these films, if you told me you were in bad pain, you would be an immediate candidate for TKR." I wasn't, because my knee didn't hurt at all when I wasn't weight-lifting.

I continued the weight work, starting with no weight and gradually increasing the load. The grinding eventually went away and has not returned - I can now lift 60 lbs per knee, 3 sets of 12 reps each. But, over the years, both knees started to bother me, mainly when I walk down hills or stairs. Going upstairs is OK -- I can walk on level ground fine with some discomfort after a while which reaches a steady, but bearable, intensity. Usual daily activities are unaffected. The pain stops immediately upon sitting down. Occasionally the medial side of my left knee hurts at in bed at night, but I massage it hard with my knuckles and the pain goes away. No pain relievers except Voltaren gel (diclofenac) now and then in bed. No problems when arising in the morning. My latest x-rays show bone-on-bone now in both knees -- the MD suggested I try Synvisc 1 but I'm keeping this in reserve until I get worse.

I think what's kept me going despite surgical knees and bowed legs is 4-5 sessions x 50 min per week on the exercycle, strengthening my quads, glucosamine 3,000 mg/day, and plenty of fish oil and Vit.D3. My dad lived till 95 so that's my current lifespan horizon, which means I theoretically should not have TKR until I'm in my mid-'80's or so. We'll see.

Jan 05, 2012
Stop playing ball NEW
by: Shirine

Stop playing sports and take care of yourself. I'm 43 and had a total knee replacement and have to get the left one done. It's nothing nice (the pain) I can't even get on my knees to look under my bed. Take care of yourself you do not want this surgery if you can help it.

Jan 06, 2012
TKR MAY 2011 NEW
by: Anonymous

My results, after 7 months has been spectacular! I am playing outdoor handball, at least three times a week, usually more and have very good flex with my knee. Now, if I am looking for somthing "under the bed", I do have discomfort, but the overall success of the TKR is a better quality of life. I am male, 60 and about 190lbs. I do have other posts on this subject.

I had "total" arthritis degeneration in my left knee.

Good Luck!

Jan 19, 2012
Partial Knee replacement NEW
by: DOC

I am 57 and have had problems with my left knee for a while. I had the medial meniscus repaired in 2007. In 2010 I injured the knee again sliding into second base in a senior softball league that allowed sliding. The MRI showed a re-tear of the meniscus. The surgeon that did the surgery in 2007 said my next surgery will be a partial knee replacement because I am bone on bone. He determined this by looking at an x-ray.

I have been doing the (three) Synvisc shots and have done it three times now. I think it helps. I also use a DonJoy off loader as well as a TENS unit and they seem to help.

My question is, how much speed did any of you guys lose after a partial knee replacement? I was a sprinter in HS and at 170 lbs I am pretty fast for my age. I don't want to lose that speed in th3e outfield.

Jan 19, 2012
Softball player NEW
by: Brianduckfan

Hey Doc, I'm a 58 year old senior softball player, with two knee operations and the wearer of an unloader brace and three rounds of chicken comb into my knee. Sounds like your knee! I too play outfield and will be on four separate teams this year. I will not slide feet first anymore! Head first for me from now on! Thanks Doc! I play in Oregon.

Jan 26, 2012
knee pain NEW
by: Anonymous

im a 36 year old female just went to the orth doctor he did exray and told me that my left knee was very bad he told me i have bone on bone with severe arthritis i cant even put alot weight on it because it hurts so bad walking with crutches and have a knee brace on. i can still feel alot of pain with the knee brace on. had a laterly release sugery in 2010 did not work. had injections and svinces shots do not work in phyically therpary that is not helping orth said he never seen somebody at my age have knee pain that bad. going back to him in march he said he will let me know what he can do forme im terid of being in so much pain.

Jan 26, 2012
knee pain NEW
by: Anonymous

im a 36 year old female just went to the orth doctor he did exray and told me that my left knee was very bad he told me i have bone on bone with severe arthritis i cant even put alot weight on it because it hurts so bad walking with crutches and have a knee brace on. i can still feel alot of pain with the knee brace on. had a laterly release sugery in 2010 did not work. had injections and svinces shots do not work in phyically therpary that is not helping orth said he never seen somebody at my age have knee pain that bad. going back to him in march he said he will let me know what he can do forme im terid of being in so much pain.

Jan 31, 2012
Bone on Bone - Left Knee NEW
by: Mary

I've read all the posts up until today's (Jan. 31, 2012). Maybe someone can advise me about my situation. I am 55 years old...female...and have only been treated with two cortisone shots in my left knee (bone on bone 100%) since July of '11. So far (thankfully!) no pain since the 2nd shot in mid-November. Why wasn't Synvisc recommended to me for that left knee at the get go? Is this an insurance issue perhaps that I don't know about? I see many people here with bone-on-bone got Synvisc as a treatment option. My ortho only mentioned it for my "right" knee that has some cartiledge left in it (though I haven't had any pain in that knee since my 1st cortisone shot in that knee back last July). What's up? Help!

Feb 01, 2012
euflexxa NEW
by: Anonymous

i'm 40 yrs. old & had euflexxa shots in my knee. I had a little extra flex in my knee but the pain & stiffness were still there. It can't hurt to get the shots but don't expect much.

Feb 05, 2012
43 5 knee operations !! NEW
by: Russ

I'm 43 Bone on Bone in my right knee, I've had 5 operations, 13 inch scar from old school ACL repair in 1989. worked for Airlines on knees for 15 years. It's coming back to haunt me.. I had the 3 shots in my knee and loved it 4 years ago, going back again for round 2. The Doc told me it's a matter of time till I have to have it replaced but to me its a last resort, the longer I hold off the more advancements in knee therapy come along.. Fighting it off till 50 then going to get George Blanda Knee.

Feb 27, 2012
Bone on bone NEW
by: Steve

50, more reconstructions then I can count, bone on bone for last ten years, been putting off replacement, think its time. Good luck to all of you!

Mar 25, 2012
Bone on bone; osteoarthritis,water & bursitis NEW
by: Karen

I'm a 52 year old female & have bone on bone, from 4 severe meniscus tears (waited 2 long 4 surgery);osteoarthritis, & water on my left knee.

When my knee pops, its the bones getting stuck & it feels like I'm trying to bend my knee in the wrong direction. If this makes sense.

Pain like you would not believe. I've scared people when my knee sticks & I scream.

I've done P.T, & that helped a lot for a while till I also got bursitis.
For that I got a cortasone shot.& that helped a lot.

My dr told me, cortasone is NOT for bone on bone or cartlege tears as it will deteroate the cartlege in no time.

I have had shots simular to Sinvisk 1. & so far, so good.

Skin is numbed first, injected ladacane then the "lube".
Is not as painful as my knee was 24/7.
& it has helped me so much.

My knee still pops, doesnt stick as often as it did,& I'm hoping the third & final shot, will do the trick where i will be pain free, & funtional again.

I too have been told I need a knee replacement, & feel 52 is too young for this, besides I have "cute knees"=D

Final thought: Ladies, we're more prone to knee problems because of the way we're built..

Mar 25, 2012
Bone on bone; osteoarthritis,water & bursitis NEW
by: Karen

I'm a 52 year old female & have bone on bone, from 4 severe meniscus tears (waited 2 long 4 surgery);osteoarthritis, & water on my left knee.

When my knee pops, its the bones getting stuck & it feels like I'm trying to bend my knee in the wrong direction. If this makes sense.

Pain like you would not believe. I've scared people when my knee sticks & I scream.

I've done P.T, & that helped a lot for a while till I also got bursitis.
For that I got a cortasone shot.& that helped a lot.

My dr told me, cortasone is NOT for bone on bone or cartlege tears as it will deteroate the cartlege in no time.

I have had shots simular to Sinvisk 1. & so far, so good.

Skin is numbed first, injected ladacane then the "lube".
Is not as painful as my knee was 24/7.
& it has helped me so much.

My knee still pops, doesnt stick as often as it did,& I'm hoping the third & final shot, will do the trick where i will be pain free, & funtional again.

I too have been told I need a knee replacement, & feel 52 is too young for this, besides I have "cute knees"=D

Final thought: Ladies, we're more prone to knee problems because of the way we're built..

May 04, 2012
PAIN NEW
by: Al

I had been bone one bone in my right knee .I had replacement surgery and then everything went south. Over the last ten years I've had 19 surgeries two and a half knee replacements, two spacer blocks, MERSA in which I almost died twice in ICU. Been septic five times. Well my friends, the 19th surgery was having my leg amputated. Al
L from a simple MEDIAL MENISCUS TEAR. GUESS WHAT,I'm now bone on bone on my
Left knee, some fun,specially when I'm in training on my new right leg. I've been to the best doctors.I pray that none of you will ever go through this. AL SMGT RETIRED and also have been an athlete all my life. I'm 63 now.


May 05, 2012
Another tale of woe NEW
by: Anonymous

At age 18 I was clipped in the left knee by someone that didn't understand the concept of touch football. Now after 34 years my left knee is bone on bone. My right knee also has arthritis under the knee cap( they call it patellar tendinitis). Until last year I walked marathons with the help of aspirin and NSAIDs. I've been trying to save the knees this year.

I walk on concrete, climb stairs, and operate machinery at work. Soon I'll add kneeling and squatting because I'm being added back into line rotation with the younger workers. Wearing a brace even under my work clothes like my doctor suggests won't go at work since they've been dropping older workers to save on higher wages and benefits. Any hint of decrepitude will end my employment. A co-worker that just had wrist surgeries was let go after returning, and another with heart issues last year. The possibility of repairing the knee that I've paid health insurance on for the past 21 years will end.

I'm contemplating the surgery just to get a shot at repair. They've already caught me hobbling. The blood is in the water... My doctor wants me to wait for medicare to get a new knee. I don't want to wait another 13 years with the constant aching and pain.


Jun 22, 2012
Knee ARTHROSCOPY ON THURSDAY NEW
by: MEW

please give me your input. Getting meniscus taken out because it is all shredded up. Have done visc and cortizone. Have knee problems. How does this help the knee if they take meniscus out and you are rubbing bone to bone.Isnt this a moot point? Is it worthless or does it help? and the weird thing is that it is not really hurting. THe left knee is but all xrays say the right is worse and thats where the meniscus is shredded up. TELL ME SHOULD I GO THURSDAY??????

Jun 22, 2012
Knee ARTHROSCOPY ON THURSDAY NEW
by: MEW

please give me your input. Getting meniscus taken out because it is all shredded up. Have done visc and cortizone. Have knee problems. How does this help the knee if they take meniscus out and you are rubbing bone to bone.Isnt this a moot point? Is it worthless or does it help? and the weird thing is that it is not really hurting. THe left knee is but all xrays say the right is worse and thats where the meniscus is shredded up. TELL ME SHOULD I GO THURSDAY??????

Jun 23, 2012
Surgery options..... NEW
by: Anonymous

The good news is your Dr and clinic will get a nice check from you or your insurance company if you go through with it! I've had two "clean up" surgeries the second one was because a chunk broke loose after the first surgery. If I had to do it again, I would hold off on the surgery. And you're right, the more they take out the closer you are to bone on bone then your option will be TKR. I'd stick with the chicken comb injections and strength training. Good luck!

Aug 05, 2012
knee pain NEW
by: Anonymous

my wife is a big bone woman ,is there a brace that will fit her bigger than normal knee maybe a hinge brace

Aug 23, 2012
menicus tear done 6-1-2010/diagnoisis bone on bone right knee NEW
by: Anonymous

i was just diagnosis with bone to bone by another kbee doctor, originally nother doctor did the surguery i felt never recover, onthat time i had foot surguery(palntar fascilitis due to crutches and trying to keep weight off the knee i had surguery.Didn't work, i had foot sx on 4-26-2012, and now i went for a check up and was diagnosisis bone to bone, i just got my brace for relieving pain ,and decreasing spaces so that bone can seperate, if not i am looking at knee replacement.i am very upset what else can go wrong, i hope brace will work. desperate what can i do.

Aug 23, 2012
menicus tear done 6-1-2010/diagnoisis bone on bone right knee NEW
by: Anonymous

i was just diagnosis with bone to bone by another kbee doctor, originally nother doctor did the surguery i felt never recover, onthat time i had foot surguery(palntar fascilitis due to crutches and trying to keep weight off the knee i had surguery.Didn't work, i had foot sx on 4-26-2012, and now i went for a check up and was diagnosisis bone to bone, i just got my brace for relieving pain ,and decreasing spaces so that bone can seperate, if not i am looking at knee replacement.i am very upset what else can go wrong, i hope brace will work. desperate what can i do.

Aug 23, 2012
menicus tear done 6-1-2010/diagnoisis bone on bone right knee NEW
by: Anonymous

i was just diagnosis with bone to bone by another kbee doctor, originally nother doctor did the surguery i felt never recover, onthat time i had foot surguery(palntar fascilitis due to crutches and trying to keep weight off the knee i had surguery.Didn't work, i had foot sx on 4-26-2012, and now i went for a check up and was diagnosisis bone to bone, i just got my brace for relieving pain ,and decreasing spaces so that bone can seperate, if not i am looking at knee replacement.i am very upset what else can go wrong, i hope brace will work. desperate what can i do.

Sep 29, 2012
Too young for knee replacement? NEW
by: Arizona

I'm a 53 year old athletic woman and love to work out and practice yoga daiy. Six weeks ago I had arthroscopic surgery to repair both the lateral and medial meniscus and a chondroplasty. The pain and lack of flexion is the same as before the surgery...no improvement! In addition, it is bone on bone. I wonder if I should just skip the injections and have the knee replaced. I do not want to limit what I enjoy most yoga and athletic training. Anyone have any thoughts?

Nov 10, 2012
Types of Injections NEW
by: Audrey

I had a meniscus tear a few years ago. Arthroscopic surgery was performed. Now I have been told that I have bone-on-bone in my right knee and arthritis. My future holds a knee replacement, but I'm holding out until it's extremely necessary. Some days I have pain and other days are fine. I've been told to try lubricant injections. Can anyone offer advice on what types of injections there are. I'm clueless on this. Do any of them work? Are they painful? How long would they last? Any advice would be helpful.

Nov 16, 2012
My knees hurt so badly and im only 17 NEW
by: Anonymous

Hi, i had a fall years ago where i fell directly onto my left knee and all of my body weight was put on it. I felt pain straight after, it started off as electric shocks going up my leg and then it swelled up. I was unable to bend or kneel or do anything. I had an X-ray done sometime between the time of my injury but i didn't get a reply back, probably because they didn't find anything. I am now nearly running 18 and the pain is unbelievable. I cant run, jump, kneel down or do anything without having my knees hurt really badly. The pain that i am experiencing right now is weird, it feels like my knee cap is grinding or the bones behind it are grinding, it is so painful, i cant take it anymore. Ive had appointments with the doctors but they keep saying its totally fine even though ive explained all the pain etc. What should i do?

Nov 22, 2012
ACL NEW
by: Anonymous

A year ago I had an ACL transplant and cartilage repair, and another scope since, diagnosis, bone on bone on half my left knee but ACL is holding. Constant pain is slowly increasing but am now getting crippling stabbing pain that prevents even walking. I'm 58 yrs old, my ortho seems to think I should wait as long as possible before replacement but my thought is I'd rather be able to move pain free now and deal with what comes later. Is replacement so terrible?

Dec 05, 2012
acl tear.+ removed cartlage.+osteo NEW
by: andrew..Wales Uk

I have torn right acl no cartlage worked for 6 years with this had all the ops tore again .7 ops later knee is usless now and very painfull working with a torn acl and no nadiscus is not a good idea as you wear your knee away im only 45 and need a new one ..suffering with pain and trying to work only hasens the enevatable .i say get your knee as close to normal befour going back to work ..working with a torn acl and no cartlage leads to osteoarthritas and a usless knee and endless pain ...get it done asap

Dec 15, 2012
Hold off on the surgery NEW
by: Mary Ann

I'm 56, had left knee replaced last year. You can't believe the pain afterwards. I finally said I am glad i live in ca,I got a medical card,narcotics made me constipated and cranky. How awful it is to travel, let me tell u how the tsa humilates u.so someone else won't b profiled. U always can feel it in there, in cold weather or rainy it's bad. I can't kneel leaving ALOT to be desired in my sex life sorry to b so blunt. I wish I would have tried the synivisc shots but kaiser too cheap to do them I wish I would have paid for myself. I can't walk around but CEMENT is ago y after an hour. This is a warning,seriously.

Jan 16, 2013
Bone spur & Chondromalacia on left (good) knee NEW
by: Rae

I fell at work in '06, as a nurse, in '08 ortho dr drilled a hole in knee cap. y? He stated to relieve pressure. I asked if he got bone spur, oh didn't see it. It was on exrays-who knows. with Chondromalacia and bone spur, what can I do being allergic to nsaids & steriods? Please advise. Thank you.

Jan 17, 2013
Worst mistake of my life... NEW
by: Anonymous

I had bi lateral knee surgery Aug 2012.
Three days later Im in PICU with severe blood clots in my lungs & legs.& nearly died twice.

All caused by knee surgery.

I went to PT twice a week, busted my ass to rehab my knees, I was in a wheelchair, then cruches,walker & then a cane.Finally nothing needed, I was walking on my own. I thought i was doing better. No pain.

November 2012, I get tightness in both calfs up to my thighs, my knees are in horrible pain & both knees wont bend.

Fast forward to Jan 2013.
Im on blood thinners, have multi serious health problems & can not walk.

If I knew then what I know now, I'd have dealt with the knees that lock or let go, & interminiant pain.
because the results from the butcher job of a surgery is NOT worth it!

If its shots, surgery, brace, whatever, do your homework. Ask questions! Weigh your options. Be informed!

Good luck

Jan 20, 2013
Bone On Bone - Ouch NEW
by: Lani

I have exercised all of my life. I am 60 years old, play tennis 6 days a week, take Zumba and other exericse classes like OC Extreme, hike, paddle board, ride my bike, and walk. I have had two surgeries on my left knee and one on my right for menicus tears. I am bone on bone and the 2 synvisc shots stopped my pain where I could resume my activities. The last shot was 6 months ago and my Doctor does not know how many I can receive. I am in extreme pain and eat oxyCodone to relieve my pain.
I am 5' 8 3/4" tall and weigh 114 pounds so weight is not the problem.
I don't want to have both knees replaced as I know mentally that I can not be sedentary for that long to recover as depression would start.
Does anyone know how many Synvisc One shots you can have?
Mahalo (Thank you)

Jan 30, 2013
pain in back of leg, NOT in the knees NEW
by: Anonymous

I am bone on bone in both knees but have minimal pain in either knee. 90% of my pain is behind my leg, caused by swelling. Had lymphadema so bad my legs were hard, unable to bend my knees, limping a lot. Helped by PT and lymphatic drainage massage, except for swelling above the knees. Surgeon is telling me he's "pretty sure" it's all related to being bone on bone, body making lymph to make up for bone on bone. I'm helped by trigger point massage and have been told by PT, surgeon and chiropractor I have more motion and strength than most needing knees. Wallking on concrete is difficult, as is standing, causing pain and swelling. Do I need replacements now?

Feb 03, 2013
Synvisc One shots NEW
by: Brian

I haven't had Synvisc One, but I have had Supartz which is similar. Five injections, once a week over five weeks. I've done this three times now and am considering another round. The Supartz is good for about six months and the Dr. said I'd have diminishing results. I'm 59 years old, very active, playing lots of softball and doing step aerobics. I played volleyball last week which was probably a bad idea. Anyway any form of lubrication in the knee joint has to be a good thing right? Especially if insurance is paying for it.

Feb 21, 2013
Ortho rep making comment NEW
by: Anonymous

If you are having a knee done. The physician needs to do at least 200 per year. Ask them their numbers. Go to a large hospital with a specific joint area for rehab. Do your homework people. It's a very serious operation . Don't fool yourself into thinking that you will be the same. You won't. Artificial knees are not the same as what God gave you? Skiing, singles tennis, competitive basketball are out. America has dumbed this surgery down. It's a big deal. I work in the industry and am being honest.

Mar 14, 2013
Partial Knee Replacement?? NEW
by: Fifi

I haven't read many comments on partial knee replacement.
I had a scope on my left knee May of 2011. Torn meniscus, and meniscus was folded on top of itself.
The surgeon trimmed away the fringe, and put meniscus back into place.
10 months later, I have not had one day where my knee feels much better than before scope, only now the pain is much much worse.
I've had one steroid injection which did nothing, and now am offered a synvisc.
Ortho surgeon told me I'll probably get 2 of them and then need a partial knee replacement in a year...bone on bone.
If he knows I need the replacement, why not just jump on it now. I'd rather get it over with and skip the injections.
My insurance company told me it was not protocol to have them before the surgery.
I'm almost 52 and life is not fun anymore. I used to love to run when I wanted, and to kneel would be so wonderful, if not for the pain.
My father had the partial and was practically skipping around the house just days after...though I know everyone is different.
Do you think the doc is just trying to make some extra $$$$ by having me me do injections first?
BTW- have not read the best reviews about this injection. A lot of bad reactions, etc.

May 03, 2013
kness NEW
by: Anonymous

i have had 4 arthriscopies to remove mensiscus tears and a leteral release and had open surgery to remove cartlidge.i am still having pain in my knee because so the doctor says i have no more meniscus so i am having unnormal ware on my knee.
he has just given me a cortisone injection which has taken the pain away but feel the pain slowly returning after 2 days.he has now put me onto the unloader brace which i get fitted next week.does this actually work or am i just going in circles because at 40 years old i wont get a new knee replacement.ps this is all on my right knee and my left one is starting to become painful now as its bearing the load.

May 03, 2013
Free at last NEW
by: Anonymous

After 35 years I pulled the trigger and had double total knee replacement . Although the muscles need to get used to the difference after surgery, now my left knee is straight and doesn't grind. My right knee doesn't ache constantly, and neither blows up like a balloon everyday.

It's been exactly a month since surgery, and I'm walking without the walker and driving. The hardest part has been stretching , but it was never my forte before either.

May 26, 2013
read this NEW
by: Anonymous

I had the same problem. I could not even jump or put to much pressure on me right knee. Always the cracking and popping of the knees. After hearing from people about the bone one I decided to stretch and flex my leg around until it suddenly gave a pop my leg got swollen and after the swelling went away I could run upstairs, jump, and run. I was sooo happy. I think it was a deteriorated knee cap and the fragments were cousing the pain. The change was from feeling my knee in pain in differnt areas to no pain at all!! Iam 53 years old and 6 months free of pain.

May 27, 2013
synvisc shot NEW
by: Anonymous

I have bone on bone arthritis in my right knee.I had a synvisc shot at Kaiser($10.00 co-pay).The shot did work and the pain subsided for several months.Recently the pain returned and I had a second shot at Kaiser-this one never did take.I think it has something to do with the person giving the shot.The first time the doctor left the needle in for some (about a minute)giving me doses periodically.The second doctor injected it all at once and in a different spot on the knee.I am going to try and get a third shot this week.

Sep 19, 2013
Good results from knee brace NEW
by: Anonymous

I am a 74 year old female with bone-on-bone arthritis in my left knee. Dr wanted to do knee replacement but I opted to try a brace and cortisone injections three times yearly. I was fitted for a Donjoy brace and the results have been amazing. I dance about three times a week (swing, etc). I have no pain and can dance all night...People who see the brace wonder why but it is wonderful. And my insurance covered 80%. I recommend this very highly.

Sep 19, 2013
Good results from knee brace NEW
by: Anonymous

I am a 74 year old female with bone-on-bone arthritis in my left knee. Dr wanted to do knee replacement but I opted to try a brace and cortisone injections three times yearly. I was fitted for a Donjoy brace and the results have been amazing. I dance about three times a week (swing, etc). I have no pain and can dance all night...People who see the brace wonder why but it is wonderful. And my insurance covered 80%. I recommend this very highly.

Sep 22, 2013
Real bone on bone NEW
by: click click

I'm reading a lot of comments about "almost" bone to bone. I'm 61 and my left knee is really bone to bone. As I walk it clicks as the two bones hit each other. Doctor quoted $25,000 per knee for replacement-yeah, that'll happen. I'd like to know what's next-what I can expect...

Sep 22, 2013
Real bone on bone NEW
by: click click

I'm reading a lot of comments about "almost" bone to bone. I'm 61 and my left knee is really bone to bone. As I walk it clicks as the two bones hit each other. Doctor quoted $25,000 per knee for replacement-yeah, that'll happen. I'd like to know what's next-what I can expect...

Sep 22, 2013
Real bone on bone NEW
by: click click

I'm reading a lot of comments about "almost" bone to bone. I'm 61 and my left knee is really bone to bone. As I walk it clicks as the two bones hit each other. Doctor quoted $25,000 per knee for replacement-yeah, that'll happen. I'd like to know what's next-what I can expect...

Sep 22, 2013
Choose your doctor carefully NEW
by: Anonymous

I had both knees replaced 6 months ago. I'm very happy. I go to work in one week. Recovery time is important, as is stretching and exercise. You're going to need to do the work, but if you get a doctor that does the job right it can get be a life saver.

Dec 08, 2013
25 years ago NEW
by: tcluck

i had total knee reconstruction know i have constant pain with bone on bone and saver arthritis will skate again

Dec 15, 2013
cold laser for bone on bone knee NEW
by: Anonymous

after reading all comments I didn't find anyone who has had experience with cold laser treatments for knee bone on bone pain. Does anyone know about such treatments which seem to be administered by chiropractors and does medical insurance cover treatments ?
At a point where any and all info must be considered to ease pain and disability.

Jan 10, 2014
Knee injury NEW
by: Anonymous

I have suffered knee pain for four years, I have had arthroscopy which showed had thin meniscus at the back of my knee.

I have had a nerve block to ease pain, I have also had steroid injections with no relief . I am on high levels of pain relief and am not offered anything else.
so they discharged me from pain clinic.
seen by orthopaedic surgeons who say I need a knee replacement, but wont be a candidate until I am in my late fifties and when I have no meniscus so my knee will be bone on bone, problem I have is I am in my early forties, walk with two sticks as fall quite often. I have fibromyalgia but trying to explain that with fibromyalgia it is a different kind of pain to my knee pain.

I am not being offered anything else.

does anyone recommend any treatment I can suggest as an alternative to doing nothing.

Jan 10, 2014
any answers NEW
by: Anonymous

im 38 years old female . i had bone on bone. found out that their were oiece of bone floating around in my knee. left knee cap was off to the side. in 2012 i had a ttt/aci/ was on bed rest for a month. though the sugery was going fine. but know i cant harley walk up the steps because my knee crakes alot when i walk . dr said i might have to get a partical knee replacement done i dont kow if i want to get it done beeing so young. but if i wait to im 60. i dont think it will last that long. im in a lot of pain when i walk and sleep.

Jan 10, 2014
any answers NEW
by: Anonymous

im 38 years old female . i had bone on bone. found out that their were oiece of bone floating around in my knee. left knee cap was off to the side. in 2012 i had a ttt/aci/ was on bed rest for a month. though the sugery was going fine. but know i cant harley walk up the steps because my knee crakes alot when i walk . dr said i might have to get a partical knee replacement done i dont kow if i want to get it done beeing so young. but if i wait to im 60. i dont think it will last that long. im in a lot of pain when i walk and sleep.

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